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Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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post #17

I thought the half life of DNA was around 400 years. Anyone know how this is possible?

DNA can be repaired. Decay of organic structures is mostly just breaking apart. This is much more reversible than reproducing radioactive elements from decay products.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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Nematodes, which were revived here, were also the first cellular species which was found to survive deep in the earths crust - in a study which also featured one of the same Princeton researchers (T. C. Onstott [1]) collaborating with a different group of international researchers:

> "Nematode found in mine is first subsurface multicellular organism"

> Until now, it was thought that the temperature, energy, oxygen and space constraints of the subsurface biosphere were too extreme for multicellular organisms. [2]

This is interesting news but I'm curious if this will be largely limited to this unique type of (multicellular) organism which can survive extreme conditions?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullis_Onstott

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obworm.html

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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I misread the title as "Woman frozen ..." and mentally prepared myself for some existentially shattering shit.

I did the exact same thing, but tweeted about it* instead of saying it here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/doreen_michele/status/10226461705...

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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For anyone wondering about previous precedents for reviving frozen multicellular creatures, here's my response to a now-deleted comment:

There are shorter-term examples of frogs [0] (up to a few years) and tardigrades [1] (30 years) but I haven't heard of anything on this timescale before.

[0]http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alaskan-...

[1]https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/18/10785002/water-bear-tardi...

Edit: formatting

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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post #20

> Some 300 prehistoric worms were analysed - and two ‘were shown to contain viable nematodes’. This sounds like 300 non-nematode worms were examined, and two of them contained viable nematodes as parasites. Is that correct? Because everything else in the article sounds like the nematodes are the worms, rather than were in the worms. It's a tiny detail, but it's bugging me.

Yes, poor article, it's not 300 worms but 300 permafrost samples, of which two contained an unspecified number of viable nematodes :https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1134%2FS00124966180...

> We analyzed more than 300 samples of permafrost deposits of different ages and origins, buried soils and fossil rodent burrows. Two samples were shown to contain viable nematodes.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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post #17

I thought the half life of DNA was around 400 years. Anyone know how this is possible?

Halflife under normal circumstances. Deepfreezing it is not the usual for DNA. Just like your meat and vegetables are still edible when you freeze them a year later and spoil in a matter of hours or days at higher temperatures.

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2012/10...

So that's at 13.1 degrees, quote from the end of that paper:

"Our results indicate that short fragments of DNA could be present for a very long time; at –5°C, the model predicts a half-life of 158 000 years for a 30 bp mtDNA fragment in bone (table 1). Even rough estimates such as this imply that sequenceable bone DNA fragments may still be present more than 1 Myr after deposition in deep frozen environments. It therefore seems reasonable to suggest that future research may identify authentic DNA that is significantly older than the current record of approximately 450–800 kyr from Greenlandic ice cores".

So even if they don't have a thermal model where you plug in any temperature and it will give you the half life there is good evidence that lower temperatures significantly increase the chances of DNA remaining intact for much longer than the above-zero half life would suggest.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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EDIT: It's legit. Thanks to the commenter below. Can anyone in Russia confirm if this is a legit news story? It's being repeated throughout tabloids in the West all referencing this English language Siberian publication, as well as hordes of definite news apsm sites, all appear to be using the same generic images and verbetium or almost verbetium text.

You are correct the first image is "fake"

It's a stock image and it seems to be orders of magnitude larger than it should be. It's been used on sites from fish feeding to gardening -

http://www.domikdomovenka.ru/products/vidy-nematod http://akvarium.dp.ua/chem-luchshe-vsego-kormit-ryib/

Unlike the real ones which would be invisible to the naked eye, see photo two in the article.

[edit] Actually at a length of half a mm you could see them with the naked eye, but 20 μm across so maybe not.

Re: Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life

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I misread the title as "Woman frozen ..." and mentally prepared myself for some existentially shattering shit.

Indeed, if such a woman had been unfrozen, would she be too important of a scientific discovery to ever be allowed to live a normal human life again? Would she just be a research subject quarantined and experimented on for the rest of her days?
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