I thought the half life of DNA was around 400 years. Anyone know how this is possible?
Worms frozen in permafrost for up to 42,000 years come back to life
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#22> "Nematode found in mine is first subsurface multicellular organism"
> Until now, it was thought that the temperature, energy, oxygen and space constraints of the subsurface biosphere were too extreme for multicellular organisms. [2]
This is interesting news but I'm curious if this will be largely limited to this unique type of (multicellular) organism which can survive extreme conditions?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tullis_Onstott
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obworm.html
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#25I misread the title as "Woman frozen ..." and mentally prepared myself for some existentially shattering shit.
https://mobile.twitter.com/doreen_michele/status/10226461705...
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#26There are shorter-term examples of frogs [0] (up to a few years) and tardigrades [1] (30 years) but I haven't heard of anything on this timescale before.
[0]http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alaskan-...
[1]https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/18/10785002/water-bear-tardi...
Edit: formatting
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#27> Some 300 prehistoric worms were analysed - and two ‘were shown to contain viable nematodes’. This sounds like 300 non-nematode worms were examined, and two of them contained viable nematodes as parasites. Is that correct? Because everything else in the article sounds like the nematodes are the worms, rather than were in the worms. It's a tiny detail, but it's bugging me.
> We analyzed more than 300 samples of permafrost deposits of different ages and origins, buried soils and fossil rodent burrows. Two samples were shown to contain viable nematodes.
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#28I thought the half life of DNA was around 400 years. Anyone know how this is possible?
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2012/10...
So that's at 13.1 degrees, quote from the end of that paper:
"Our results indicate that short fragments of DNA could be present for a very long time; at –5°C, the model predicts a half-life of 158 000 years for a 30 bp mtDNA fragment in bone (table 1). Even rough estimates such as this imply that sequenceable bone DNA fragments may still be present more than 1 Myr after deposition in deep frozen environments. It therefore seems reasonable to suggest that future research may identify authentic DNA that is significantly older than the current record of approximately 450–800 kyr from Greenlandic ice cores".
So even if they don't have a thermal model where you plug in any temperature and it will give you the half life there is good evidence that lower temperatures significantly increase the chances of DNA remaining intact for much longer than the above-zero half life would suggest.
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#29EDIT: It's legit. Thanks to the commenter below. Can anyone in Russia confirm if this is a legit news story? It's being repeated throughout tabloids in the West all referencing this English language Siberian publication, as well as hordes of definite news apsm sites, all appear to be using the same generic images and verbetium or almost verbetium text.
It's a stock image and it seems to be orders of magnitude larger than it should be. It's been used on sites from fish feeding to gardening -
http://www.domikdomovenka.ru/products/vidy-nematod http://akvarium.dp.ua/chem-luchshe-vsego-kormit-ryib/
Unlike the real ones which would be invisible to the naked eye, see photo two in the article.
[edit] Actually at a length of half a mm you could see them with the naked eye, but 20 μm across so maybe not.
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#30I misread the title as "Woman frozen ..." and mentally prepared myself for some existentially shattering shit.