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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by anonytrary »

slivym wrote: post #4

Am I the only one who sees this as anti-competitive? This is basically collusion - Atlassian agreeing not to compete in chat in return for a payment from Slack. It almost seems like we're intent on making literally every mistake we made with traditional businesses, but with electronic products.

Right, because everyone knows the second law of business is that the number of competitors in a market can never decrease over time.

Jokes aside, how is this anti-competitive other than trivially reducing the number of total competitors? If 4th place wants to give up in the race, should all of their work be in vain? AFAIK a product like Slack doesn't require tons of up-front legislation preventing new entrants in the race. Competition in this domain is very much alive, regardless of what a few big kahunas decide to do.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by bromuro »

ironjunkie wrote: post #165

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

At my company we use slack because Skype was getting worse. We tried some alternatives, and slack was the friendliest, easier to use, with the right features. I don’t see any hype in our choice - simply it was the right one.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by snerbles »

nine_k wrote: post #52
derefr wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Matrix.org server?

How easy it is to administer channels on Matrix? Like making team-private channels that can't be joined without approval?

Channels default to unlisted and invite-only, and the per-channel permissions system is fine-grained.

It's pretty simple to adjust permissions using Riot - I haven't tried it with the other clients, though.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by visualphoenix »

This both sucks and is great. Sucks for me. Hopefully will be great for Mattermost and Matrix.

For HIPAA compliant shops Slack is a non-starter. Mattermost will hopefully get a lot of corporate $ now. I wish Matrix's dendrite[0] golang replacement homeserver was finished and in better shape. I'd much prefer to go the Riot/Matrix route, but it doesn't feel ready for prime time yet.

HipChat Server was SPOF but could be made to be HIPAA compliant by hoisting their AMI out and encrypting the base image.

I literally was at the tail end of hacking Hipchat Data Center to be fully HIPAA compliant and HA using Vault, Consul (+locks), Terraform, scaling groups and friends. I was so excited about getting to blog about it. sigh

Looks like I'll be re-engaging Mattermost. Last time I looked their E20 pricing was like 4x more expensive per user than it was costing for HipChat DC. Hopefully they finished their HipChat importing option.

[0] https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by Thkejehd »

mmanfrin wrote: post #196
ironjunkie wrote: post #165

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

There are two camps: the we-should-just-use-irc camp, and the we-need-every-feature camp. You fall in to the former, and I would bet that a lot of people here fall in to the former. However, many people fall in to the latter, and Slack handily beats the competition there. There is also an element of having nice and polished features baked in that appeals to many people. Want it on your phone? There's an app. Want to…

When was the last time you used Linux? I installed Ubuntu on a Dell lappy provided by work, everything just worked and it required less tweaking than osx would have for serious SWE work.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by snom380 »

ironjunkie wrote: post #165

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

In my experience, Slack is the first chat application that both techies and non-techies actually use. I don't know why that is. But instead of asking when the hype is going to stop, it might be useful asking why the hype is there in the first place. [Edit:spelling]

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by toefraz »

rb808 wrote: post #277
solatic wrote: post #107

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Skype for Business, works on prem. Matrix is probably good too. Confluence can be installed on prem already.

SfB is ok for one-to-one or one-to-few communication, but the chats are pure garbage.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by bigiain »

smt88 wrote: post #208
philwelch wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are two camps: the we-should-just-use-irc camp, and the we-need-every-feature camp. I'm firmly in the "email should be used for substantive discussions" camp, but ever since we got the bandwidth and CPU necessary for the internet to not be a primarily text-based medium, the illiterates took over and that was the end of that.

Email has a lot of problems, but the dealbreaker for my company is that it isn't secure.

And you somehow trust Slack as a "secure alternative"?

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Post by bigiain »

Nursie wrote: post #231
philwelch wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are two camps: the we-should-just-use-irc camp, and the we-need-every-feature camp. I'm firmly in the "email should be used for substantive discussions" camp, but ever since we got the bandwidth and CPU necessary for the internet to not be a primarily text-based medium, the illiterates took over and that was the end of that.

There's way too much noise in my email inbox, stuff gets lost. Important/immediate discussions take place in person, or on slack. (Or hipchat or sametime or lync or windows messenger or hoary old ICQ for all I care...)

> There's way too much noise in my email inbox, stuff gets lost.

I find that happens an order of magnitude more often in Slack than email. The number of times important things here don't get done on time (or at all) because "Oh, I must have missed that in Slack...)

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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ironjunkie wrote: post #165

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

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