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Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

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Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#181

> The ban wouldn't be retroactive, however, so on-site food at companies like Google and Twitter would still be available Cool, so start-ups lose a potential hiring perk to the incumbents. (Does anyone know the story behind this bill? Which politicians and restaurants supported it? I’d like to avoid the latter going forward.)

> Cool, so start-ups lose a potential hiring perk to the incumbents.

I don't think catering startups that coordinate with local restaurants (e.g ZeroCater and Chewse) will be affected.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I worked at a company that offered free lunch, the company used it to help build rapport and camaraderie among the coworkers. It's one time during the day when the entire team can sit down and eat lunch together and get to know about each other, which is not possible through Slack nor via meetings. I stopped bringing my lunch to work and go out to eat specifically to get a break from my coworkers. Not that there…

And that’s great if that’s what you want. OP was just saying that free, internal lunch promotes team bonding for those who do desire it.

I work at a company that doesn’t provide lunch, and we still manage to go out together and “bond”.

Miracles do happen.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#183
post #176

Laughable. Do these politicians think that the food is conjured out of thin air with magic? These cafeterias are located in the city (just like a restaurant would be), creating jobs in the city (just like a restaurant would), paying good wages and benefits to these people (unlike most restaurants would).

Yes but since the food came from hated tech companies, it is tainted and must be banned.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#184

I'm sorry but this is so f*cking stupid. As a Bay Area resident my priorities are the cost of housing, cleaning our dirty streets and alleviating traffic congestion. This is an example of progressivism gone awry. Solving the basics is incredibly important. Our quality of life is in decline (in the bay area) and this is the best our politicians can do? I'm enraged.

Yes, but are you going to do anything about it? If you work at one of the big tech companies in the bay area, chances are you either cannot vote or you're only ever going to vote for the incumbent party, so what does it matter to them if they piss you off?

For the SF locals, it's usually democrats vs democrats, so party affiliation doesn't really matter. Because of this, inucumbents are much more easily voted out of office on the supervisor level (which is where this is coming from).

So... vote when you can!

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#185
post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title could almost be: "Large tech companies lobby local officials to allow them to offer exclusive employment benefits."

Is that what happened? Did large tech companies advocate for this? Or is that a conspiracy theory?

I admit this is pure speculation. There are mentions in another article[1] that some restaurant associations supported it:

>The measure has the support of Gwyneth Borden, executive director of the Golden Gate Restaurant Association and other local merchants.

It seems suspicious that before the legislation is even introduced exceptions have been carved out for the existing big companies.

[1] http://www.sfexaminer.com/supervisors-move-ban-workplace-caf...

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#186

California's found a unique way to incorporate only the shitty parts of European socialism without adding in any of the massive benefits. We get the same high taxes and restrictive overreaching laws without any of the free healthcare, free university tuition, or pension plans.

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Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#187

I'm sorry but this is so f*cking stupid. As a Bay Area resident my priorities are the cost of housing, cleaning our dirty streets and alleviating traffic congestion. This is an example of progressivism gone awry. Solving the basics is incredibly important. Our quality of life is in decline (in the bay area) and this is the best our politicians can do? I'm enraged.

Don't get caught up and be enraged by clickbait BI headlines. Bay Area cities are not cracking down on anything. There is exactly one passed rule so far. And that is by Mountain View that only applies to a single office development. The SF rule is on proposal stages and is unlikely to pass.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#188
I can see the motivation here for the SF legislation, it is problematic that we tend not to leave the office for lunch, but there are some major issues that the author, Asha Safai, has clearly missed:

  (a) Twitter, Google, Facebook, and Genentech are grandfathered into their cafeterias, and it's fairly unlikely any other companies will build cafeterias.
  (b) This is partially because most companies are too small for a dedicated cafeteria, so they use a catering service like ZeroCater, which source most meals from local restaurants that don't do much or any lunch service.
  (c) There are other companies like Gap, which have a cafeteria largely because there is nothing near their office but parking lots, and they are next to UCSF which certainly has at least one cafeteria at that location.
I think there is work to be done here, I think that this does tie into other problems like housing and general rent, but I don't think it's a good solution to it.

One of the major ways this misses the boat is that there are lower paid employees in tech companies, often contractors, who have access to free food in ways that substantially makes life more affordable for them. So yes, engineers pulling six figures are maybe given a little toooo much perks, but when that is spread around, I'm strongly in favor of it. There are people in these tech offices making not much more than minimum wage, and I'm not just talking about janitorial and maintenance staff - I'm talking about CS, QA, UX contractors and all manner of other office work.

Safai is not really a progressive, so he's probably come up with this idea to overcompensate for that and appeal to progressives. This doesn't really sound like Aaron Peskin, either, who mostly works to coalition build and is primarily focused on housing policy.

I would suspect that Peskin is supporting this to get Safai to work with him on some other bill, and that he expects it to fail.

Re: Bay Area cities are cracking down on free food at tech companies

#189

I'm sorry but this is so f*cking stupid. As a Bay Area resident my priorities are the cost of housing, cleaning our dirty streets and alleviating traffic congestion. This is an example of progressivism gone awry. Solving the basics is incredibly important. Our quality of life is in decline (in the bay area) and this is the best our politicians can do? I'm enraged.

It would be nice if politicians had to disclose conflicts of interest when proposing legislation. I'm sure this shot to the top of the priority list not out of some moral imperative, but because someone somewhere was losing a buck, or could make a buck if this passed.

disclose a conflict? this is what politicians do here, the place one group against another to profit off of it come election time. this to them is a freebie because they believe they can only get good will from the populace as a whole by exploiting both wealth and privilege envy.

This is just skimming low hanging fruit and a free distraction from real problems they either cannot fix or don't consider worth their time. plus they win if the "elitist" complain about having to give up their free lunch

I can understand why some are outraged but this is the old adage of, I didn't speak up when they came for the .....

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