They all seem pretty manipulative to me & not in a subtle way
Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
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Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is "xenophobic" about those three images? Turkey is currently undergoing a very public internal war between western secularism and Islamic fundamentalism. Why would a western country want to enter into democratic union with such a country at this stage? Not every judgment regarding other countries is "xenophobic." Imagine if Alabama or Mississippi were trying to join the U.S. today. Would it be "xenophobic" of C…
Getting people to vote leave because they don't like some foreigners (Turkey or Syria) is quite literally the definition of xenophobia. This is especially true when Turkey is not even close to joining the EU.
The subtext May be xenophobic, but the ads are specifically about the wage gap between the UK and Turkey/Albania, and the explicit message is that you will lose your job, or wages will drop. That’s not xenophobic.
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK Obama didn't break the law so his contribution is not under question I think your questions could be seen as whataboutism[0], but as an answer I do know somebody who was furious that Obama was "telling us what to do" and subsequently voted leave. I don't know anybody who voted remain but was obviously swayed by Obama. Sample size is small but thats what I know. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I'm not making a point either way than to say this. Legalism is probably the weakest argument to make for or against something. Slavery was once "legal".
The OP simply said that Obama's statement is not under investigation because it did not break the law. The leave campaign advertising did break the law, so it is. That's usually how criminal investigations work.
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is "xenophobic" about those three images? Turkey is currently undergoing a very public internal war between western secularism and Islamic fundamentalism. Why would a western country want to enter into democratic union with such a country at this stage? Not every judgment regarding other countries is "xenophobic." Imagine if Alabama or Mississippi were trying to join the U.S. today. Would it be "xenophobic" of C…
Getting people to vote leave because they don't like some foreigners (Turkey or Syria) is quite literally the definition of xenophobia. This is especially true when Turkey is not even close to joining the EU.
But the ads are not about “not liking foreigners.” They are about a country with very different beliefs and attitudes joining a bloc where they will have voting rights in bodies that have legislative power over people in the UK. That is a completely different thing. And Turkey applied to the EU in 1987, has been a full candidate EU member since 1999, and since then has been in active negotiations to join.
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg
2966 and 2968 are about what the new borders of the UK would effectively be if Turkey is allowed to join the EU. Regardless of your thoughts on the Middle East, it is clear that there are dangerous people in Iraq. Given that the EU has open borders and markets (for the most part), isn't it a germaine discussion if that supranational entity wants to enlarge its borders to include ports of entry from a somewhat unstabl…
“Yet, those crossing the border would have some rights to enter and work in Britain, right?” Absolutely wrong. Where did you get that idea?
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg
They do know that UK could have vetoed the entrance of Turkey, Macedonia, etc in EU...
That’s irrelevant. UK is split 50/50 on the issue. It depends which government is in leadership it the time of decision. There’s is no security in knowing that it could be vetoed, until the next election. Brexit was the only long term answer for those who were worried about it.
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#107Starting reading an article on some info handed over, ended up reading a politicized article. Can someone link me the source this article is using for the new news? I'm having a hard time finding it in the inline links of the text. EDIT: Via [0], I found the docs at [1]. Tech Crunch is a shameful, op-ed joke of a site. 0 - https://twitter.com/DamianCollins/status/1022437025667014656 1 - https://www.parliament.uk/docu…
Hm... Care to point out the bias? They write about some of the most blatant examples of manipulative lying ads that only carefully picked groups of people got to see before the referendum. What else should they have reported on the topic of the contents of the released data? They didn't even pick some of most tasteless/fearmongering/lying ads that were run.
> Hm... Care to point out the bias?
It's everywhere. I'd rather not enumerate them all. I suppose just list out all the adjectives used in the article and read them. Also, list the point each paragraph is making concisely and read them. Then, the real challenge when it goes into discussing right/wrong, is to see if you can determine what is left out.
There is objective news, e.g. "these were released", and there is commentary, e.g. "here's our opinion/commentary on what was released". I'll take the former, and I wish orgs would make it clear the difference between the two. The real irony, since the freaking article on data release thinks it is the place to discuss EU successes/failures to point out irony, is that it masquerades as news while reporting on a commission researching things masquerading as news.
It is a joke, but what's worse is that it is not obvious it is a joke. We should not pretend that we are above FB users that can't tell news from non-news when it's clear we can't either. Or, even more likely, we should assume the alternative side can similarly tell real from fake and that the FB ads had little effect.
I personally have no opinion on brexit or even FB ad targeting for that matter (I'm seriously ambivalent). But I do doubt the size of its effect and I really abhor the smarter-than-thou approach some take when votes don't go their way, especially scapegoating. Those poor gullible masses...
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
AFAIK Obama didn't break the law so his contribution is not under question I think your questions could be seen as whataboutism[0], but as an answer I do know somebody who was furious that Obama was "telling us what to do" and subsequently voted leave. I don't know anybody who voted remain but was obviously swayed by Obama. Sample size is small but thats what I know. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
Justice is about equality before the law. It is unjust for one party to do something and be punished, while another party does something that is principly the same, and is not punished. Citing "whataboutism" does not make this go away, it is the essence of the argument. If Joe is disqualified from his hockey tournament for throwing his stick, but Mike receives an eye-roll from the same referee, it should not be criti…
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Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
#109I'm trying to understand the article's premise. Is all political advertising immoral? Is it something about the way the ads were distributed that make them immoral? Is it just immoral because the politics itself was "wrong"?
The leave campaigns were recently found to be in violation of election law, so no, this isn't just a "moral" issue: > the Electoral Commission found that the youth-focused campaign, BeLeave, had been joint-working with the official Vote Leave campaign — yet the pair had not jointly declared spending thereby enabling the official campaign to overspend by almost half a million pounds. And that overspend went straight t…
>"More broadly, we're in a new era of political advertising that we haven't fully grappled with yet."
This. Further, digital media has become so effective and audience data so refined that it can be readily and cheaply weaponized by hostile actors to conduct a form of "soft" warfare on the battleground of peoples' news and social feeds that skirts existing broadcast-centric political advertising laws. This is why they are in drastic need of an update via something like the Honest Ads Act [1].
[1] https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/198...
Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads
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Seems like a wonderful idea, but unfortunately the UK now has both major political parties firmly and irrevocably commited to enforcing the referendum result (whatever that is).
Ok, so I guess that means that all of the democratically elected parties are currently in favor of brexit. That's democracy for you. If you don't like it then people should vote for someone else. The fact that these major parties are committed to enforcing brexit IS the democracy.
Our electoral system makes it damned near impossible to elect someone else.
At the 1983 general election, the SDP won 25.4% of the popular vote, giving them 23 seats in parliament. Labour won 27.6% of the popular vote, giving them 209 seats. We are a de-facto two-party state, because the design of our electoral system is drastically biased in favour of the established major parties.
We did consider switching to a fairer electoral system in 2011, but ironically enough we decided against it by referendum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_electio...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vot...