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Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by oh_sigh »

RubenSandwich wrote: post #22
kodablah wrote: post #3

Starting reading an article on some info handed over, ended up reading a politicized article. Can someone link me the source this article is using for the new news? I'm having a hard time finding it in the inline links of the text. EDIT: Via [0], I found the docs at [1]. Tech Crunch is a shameful, op-ed joke of a site. 0 - https://twitter.com/DamianCollins/status/1022437025667014656 1 - https://www.parliament.uk/docu…

Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg

How are any of those xenophobic? To me that sounds similar to labeling someone as antisocial if they don't want a stranger living in their house.

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by rayiner »

RubenSandwich wrote: post #22
kodablah wrote: post #3

Starting reading an article on some info handed over, ended up reading a politicized article. Can someone link me the source this article is using for the new news? I'm having a hard time finding it in the inline links of the text. EDIT: Via [0], I found the docs at [1]. Tech Crunch is a shameful, op-ed joke of a site. 0 - https://twitter.com/DamianCollins/status/1022437025667014656 1 - https://www.parliament.uk/docu…

Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg

What is "xenophobic" about those three images? Turkey is currently undergoing a very public internal war between western secularism and Islamic fundamentalism. Why would a western country want to enter into democratic union with such a country at this stage?

Not every judgment regarding other countries is "xenophobic." Imagine if Alabama or Mississippi were trying to join the U.S. today. Would it be "xenophobic" of Californians to be skeptical of the impact that would have on shared democratic institutions?

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by lumberjack »

defertoreptar wrote: post #5

I'm trying to understand the article's premise. Is all political advertising immoral? Is it something about the way the ads were distributed that make them immoral? Is it just immoral because the politics itself was "wrong"?

Targeted political advertisement is immoral. It is nothing more than a way to deceive the electorate by hiding from them part of the truth. That is the problem here. Online ads are targeted and that is problematic when it comes to politics.

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by dominotw »

maym86 wrote: post #60
dominotw wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> explain the argument against passing laws forcing If laws protect people. more laws = better? What is the downside of passing any law? In this case I could face discrimination at work if they found out that I was buying ads for my anti abortion website.

> If laws protect people. more laws = better? What is the downside of passing any law? No this is a question about a specific law. Making it a general point about all laws is disingenuous. Why do anything ever?

Did you read the second sentence starting with "In this case.."

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by [deleted] »

HumanDrivenDev wrote: post #57

It's really interesting coming to HN and watching the indignant 'stabbed in the back' theories about why the establishment lost the Brexit referendum and 2016 US presidential election. 2 years on and it still stings that the people didn't vote the way they were supposed to. There is definitely a classist, privileged undertone to the discourse as well - ironic but not surprising coming from many self-described sociali…

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Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by derriz »

morsma wrote: post #56
matthewmacleod wrote: post #45

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It is not and should not be illegal for anybody to make their views on political issues known. It’s much more questionable when we start to look at organised funding and lobbying. We have those rules specifically to prevent elections being bought with cash.

When Merkel donated 5 million Euro to the Hillary Clinton campaign, was that then a foreign entity interfering/manipulating in an election?

Except that didn't actually happen. The German government (not Angela Merkel) contributed money for an environmental project running in Kenya and Ethiopia which the Clinton Foundation was also involved in.

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by [deleted] »

dominotw wrote: post #64
maym86 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If laws protect people. more laws = better? What is the downside of passing any law? No this is a question about a specific law. Making it a general point about all laws is disingenuous. Why do anything ever?

Did you read the second sentence starting with "In this case.."

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Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by sctb »

onyva wrote: post #17
defertoreptar wrote: post #5

I'm trying to understand the article's premise. Is all political advertising immoral? Is it something about the way the ads were distributed that make them immoral? Is it just immoral because the politics itself was "wrong"?

It’s time to stop being silly and look at the wider picture. All of these activities are connected and are related to Russian money essentially. The USA and the UK at least seem to be related, and very likely Israel is involved as well (targeting Iran). Add to this the Arron Banks and the diamond deal attempt with a Russian company, and pieces start falling into place. Corruption around Russian money in excahnge for…

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by oblio »

rayiner wrote: post #62
RubenSandwich wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg

What is "xenophobic" about those three images? Turkey is currently undergoing a very public internal war between western secularism and Islamic fundamentalism. Why would a western country want to enter into democratic union with such a country at this stage? Not every judgment regarding other countries is "xenophobic." Imagine if Alabama or Mississippi were trying to join the U.S. today. Would it be "xenophobic" of C…

If it's not xenophobic, it's at least hypocrisy:

* the UK was one of the biggest proponents for Eastern EU expansion

* the UK did not impose any restriction on labor from the new EU members, which every EU member could do, up to 10 years from the date of the new members joining

* then, surprise-surprise!, when a lot of Poles, especially, moved to the major English speaking country in the EU, the UK decided all of a sudden they're against immigration :)

* the UK, even post-Brexit, but before Erdogan purges, through the voice of Boris Johnson, was pushing for Turkey becoming an EU members

And these ads are from 2016, when public perception of Erdogan wasn't what it was now. The angle was purely: "the Turks are going to swarm us". While the same government was pushing for Turkey in the EU.

Furthermore, the UK could just veto Turkey indefinitely. Absolutely every EU member must agree to accession of a new members.

Re: Facebook finally hands over leave campaign Brexit ads

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Post by petepete »

noncoml wrote: post #42
RubenSandwich wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, quite a few of these are very xenophobic. Very much playing off of an anti Middle East sentiment. I'd specifically like to highlight these ads in this document: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu... . 2924.jpg 2966.jpg 2968.jpg

They do know that UK could have vetoed the entrance of Turkey, Macedonia, etc in EU...

Of course they do. They also know that migrant workers have a positive impact on our economy. They also know the unelected bureaucrats are elected and held to account. And they also knew that there would be issues around Northern Ireland's border that wouldn't be easy to resolve. And they also knew that... I'm bored now but you get the picture.
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