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GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#101

Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

Even the people that opted out of sharing their DNA for research purposes?

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#102
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Has any medical condition been solved through genotyping (as done by 23andme) yet?

23andMe as done several dozen publication performing GWAS using the genetic data combined with questionnaire data.

This type of study aims to link symptoms with genetic cause. They have actually made a pretty significant impact in genetics research. They list their publciations here https://www.23andme.com/publications/

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#103

Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

I am always fascinated by these concerns. The data available on you today (financial history, social data, search histories) is more complete, concrete and actionable than one's genomics data. I say this as someone who works in this area.

Today it's more actionable. In the future, maybe not. And not only is the person signing up, but he or she is also signing up his/her offspring.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#104

Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

I am always fascinated by these concerns. The data available on you today (financial history, social data, search histories) is more complete, concrete and actionable than one's genomics data. I say this as someone who works in this area.

"I have lost all my privacy already and this is another dataset that I have no say over so why fight? You are powerless regardless. Oh and I work for the companies that benefit from your data."

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#105

I don't want to spread FUD but why would ANYONE in their right mind give their DNA to a company in Silicon Valley that is explicitely using Google as a model for Data privacy ? (The founder of 23AndMe is the ex-wife of Google founder). Even worse, people are actually PAYING quite a lot to get the privilege of having that company playing with your most private data. This field needs to be heavily regulated. In 20 year…

> I don't want to spread FUD but why would ANYONE in their right mind give their DNA to a company in Silicon Valley that is explicitely using Google as a model for Data privacy ?

My father has Parkinson's and provided his DNA to 23AndMe using one of their free kits [1]. Companies like this represent a chance of finding a cure. There are certainly concerns with companies accumulating large amounts of genetic data, but huge data sets are required for deep learning and other AI methodologies. Sharing one's genetic data, and allowing other companies to form partnerships to gain access to that data, will likely represent a key step in identifying the cause (and hopefully potential cures) for such diseases.

[1] https://www.23andme.com/pd/

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree 23 and me database is valuable but more for the second reason I think the 23 and me data is not sequencing data but genotype data. So it only looks at a certain type of mutation in a limited set of ~500k known mutations. I may be wrong so please correct me if so. So you won't find as many rare mutations in this data, or non-SNP mutations. Also I don't think they have robust clinical data for all subjects, it'…

Some digging by a lay-idiot >> The Regeneron Genetics Center (RGC) has built one of the world’s most comprehensive genetics databases, pairing the sequenced exomes and de-identified electronic health records of more than 300,000 people so far. https://www.regeneron.com/genetics-center https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/23andMe - users 5 million My understanding is that you are saying 23andme's 5 million records are less…

I don't really know too much about the amount of clinical data 23andme collects and I don't know what SNP data they collect, so I can't say with certainty that they're less valuable than RGC, but I'd guess they are

My argument: If you are exploring genomic datasets to find new potential drug targets, then what you really want as the output are single genes that are very strongly associated with dramatic phenotypes. Drugs generally only hit one molecule, so you want a monogenic vs polygenic signal, and drugs can't hit every molecule of a given type in the body, so you want a large effect size (if you only hit 10% of the target you still want a meaningful clinical effect)

If you don't have clinical data, your genetic data is Not super valuable for target discovery. You can't correlate genetics to clinical outcomes. The more clinical data you have, the more valuable your dataset, because you can uncover more gene-phenotype correlations. So you need high quality medical records, lab data, etc. if you just have self reported data on a few diseases, you'd miss all sorts of potentially useful signals

The type of genetic analysis is also super important. 23 and me does "genotyping": they have a chip with like 500k-1M molecular probes. Each probe is designed to detect a specific "SNP" mutation, i.e. A mutation where one DNA "letter" is different. So this doesn't pick up other non-SNP mutations but that's not as important. What's more important is that there are like 10M+ (edit: prev said 360M) known SNPs and prob a lot more unknown ones. So with 23andme you are only exploring a small part of the genome

And this part of the genome is fairly well explored. While next gen sequencing is a newer tech, gene chips (what 23andme uses) have been around longer. Most common mutations have been studied. And 23andme is just studying those common mutations but at a larger scale

However larger scale isn't necessarily that great for target discovery. With larger database you can pick up 1) more relationships with small effect size and 2) more rare relationships with large effect size. Except 23andme is using a gene chip that detects mostly common mutations, and bc they have limited clinical data they will mostly have common clinical condistion in their dataset. So you can really just pick up a lot of common mutations with significant but not meaningful relationship w outcomes

If you use exome sequencing like RGC, you get much richer coverage of the protein coding genome than 23andme. So you can pick up rare mutations. And you have more clinical data (arguably having more clinical data per genome is more valuable than having more genomes), so you can pick up more gene-phenotype relationships. You need to scale your sample set so you can detect rare mutations, but do you need 5M people? The more the better but RGC has already yielded some promising targets w it's smaller dataset

RGC is also smart and targeted about the kind of patients they recruit. So there is less noise and more signal, so you don't need as many patients. For example they look at fairly genetically homogenous "founder populations" that have less background genetic variability. Like the Icelandic population -- PCSK9 was discerned by analyzing this pop

PCSK9 gene is a classic example: mutations in this gene are very strongly associated with extreme levels of LDL cholesterol. And the relationship works for both gain of function mutations and loss of function mutations, and the causality can be validated experimentally.

The effect is dramatic: patients with loss of function mutations in PSCK9 have like 10% of the normal level of LDL cholesterol

And it's a monogenic trait: you can get these extreme LDL levels just by modifying PCSK9

So this is a great target assuming you can design a molecule to "block" it (you can). You can create an antibody that can basically have the same effect as the mutation (keeping PCSK9 from doing its job) but on a smaller and less durable scale.

The drug worked at lowering LDL cholesterol. It has had mixed commercial success for a variety of reasons unrelated to its effectiveness of lowering cholesterol

So this was really the first drug discovered based on large scale genomics. Regeneron developed one of the two PCSK9 inhibitors on the market. They purpose-built RGC to find more of these

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#107

Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

I don't understand these concerns. I have published my data from 23andMe ( https://enki.org/2017/10/17/publishing-my-genome/ ) ( https://github.com/mcculley/genes-genes ). Can you share what you think the bad outcomes would be? What am I missing? Edit: As people bring up the insurance risk, yes I did consider that and mention it in my post. I am personally not concerned about it and think the advantages outweigh the…

Untraceable assassination.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#108
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would that act cover things like targeting health insurance ads based on genetic traits? How about displaying recruitment ads to people with lactose tolerance gene, effectively excluding most of worlds non-white population?

Not sure about other areas, but in my state "Genetic Information" is among the protected classes with which you may not discriminate regarding employment. Although it's allowed for housing, credit, etc. when race et al are not, which is quite peculiar. https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcr/law.html

Federal (GINA):

> It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer-- (1) to fail or refuse to hire, or to discharge, any employee, or otherwise to discriminate against any employee with respect to the compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment of the employee, because of genetic information with respect to the employee;

No job advertising protection there

NJ (LAD):

> It shall be an unlawful employment practice, or, as the case may be, an unlawful discrimination: a.For an employer, because of [..], genetic information, [..] to refuse to hire or employ or to bar or to discharge or require to retire, unless justified by lawful considerations other than age, from employment such individual or to discriminate against such individual in compensation or in terms, conditions or privileges of employment;

Nope, nothing there either about recruitment ads..

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

#109
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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve also done 23andme and am open about my data. I can think of about 3 negative outcomes (maybe insurance problems that could occur without regulation; family privacy issues if someone wanted to track you or a family member down; annoying advertising), and about 1,000 positive outcomes (contributing data to help cure cancer, predict disease susceptibility, drug response, improve general health and wellness, et cete…

Plenty of other risks. Once you get into the X million+ sample ranges false positives for paternity tests or criminal cases become likely. 10 million tests vs 10 million person database means 1 in 10 trillion false positives happen 10 times.

That's not how it works, the chances of two people matching as identical (on the SNP tested by 23andme) by random is astronomically low - orders of magnitude higher than the total number of humans who've ever lived.

Generally at a 7cM overlap you have 50:50 chance whether you're related to that person or not. Anything over say 150cM you're virtually certain to be related (ignoring endogamous populations). At 3,400cM (full-match) it's not even worth considering randomness.

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