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Some suddenly become accomplished artists or musicians with no previous training

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Re: Some suddenly become accomplished artists or musicians with no previous training

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Is there a control group of people who spend an equal amount of time and fervor investigating a new musical or artistic path without first having the "epiphany?"

I had a friend in college with no prior musical training who decided his second year to become a classical guitarist. We kind of teased him at first because he clearly had no sudden music-related epiphanies nor any idea of the time involved to master an instrument much less learn to read music and understand theory.

Nonetheless, he spent the time you'd think would be required on a daily basis to gain such competency, plus starting the music track classes. At the end of a year if I didn't already know his initial skill level and his general obsessive dedication to all endeavors, I'd have assumed he was a savant.

Put another way-- most amateur musicians I know spend less than 30 minutes a week doing anything resembling practice. I often hear people drilling a mistake in that scant time. Given that, I'm amazed most people can play anything at all.

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In a symmetric system are there documented cases of people becoming suddenly very mentally challenged? Or artists or musicians who suddenly one day could no longer paint or play?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yips

This happened to me with Archery and it took over a year to get over. Horrible. For me I think it was caused by hurting myself with the bowstring pretty badly on a botched shot and my mind would just freeze up anticipating that pain... I think. Weird stuff.

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Each of the stories listed are suspicious. They feel like the crop circle hoax to me -- something they planned well to get attention. Are there any provable cases?

Im not sure they got their attention because only initials were provided in the article, but i do agree with your sentiment. Also, art is such a subjective practice. If there was a mathematics case i would be much more compelled to believe this.

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Each of the stories listed are suspicious. They feel like the crop circle hoax to me -- something they planned well to get attention. Are there any provable cases?

Im not sure they got their attention because only initials were provided in the article, but i do agree with your sentiment. Also, art is such a subjective practice. If there was a mathematics case i would be much more compelled to believe this.

Here's one related to savant syndrome: "Daniel Tammet first came to worldwide attention in March, 2004 on international Pi Day (3/14 of course) when he recited, from memory, Pi to 22,514 decimal places."

https://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/professional/savant-...

Re: Some suddenly become accomplished artists or musicians with no previous training

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Each of the stories listed are suspicious. They feel like the crop circle hoax to me -- something they planned well to get attention. Are there any provable cases?

Oliver Sacks had some case studies listed in his book "Musicophilia." One was a non-musician doctor who, after an injury, developed an obsession with Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu. He apparently bought a Steinway and learned the piece in a year with no instruction.

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Looks like someone forgot to [COMBINE PARAS]

Nope, they didn't forget to, it's in the past tense: [COMBINED PARAS] All is well! ^_^

Nope, there is also [COMBINE PARAS] in there as well. I didn't see the COMBINED until later on in the article.

Re: Some suddenly become accomplished artists or musicians with no previous training

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This seems explainable.

Humans typically learn art like GANs learn. We start as children making things and the adults, teachers, etc start grading and encouraging/discouraging us, providing the feedback we learn from.

As we grow up, we all to some degree learn what art we like, and what good art is. But some people learn this better than others, and some people learn more finely tuned discrimination than others. One doesn't need to be an artist to have good taste.

It seems like if you are a non-artistic adult who learned exceptional taste, then you are held back by only technique and creativity. If you are creative and/or lucky when you first decide to try to make something, even without technique you'll make much more progress than the average person. Then, so encouraged by the progress, you'll focus obsessively on technique and improvement.

Once it starts, this learning process can proceed much more quickly than the typical child learning process, because it doesn't have to wait for others to provide the feedback.

Et voila, adult sudden savant.

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