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GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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I don't understand these concerns. I have published my data from 23andMe ( https://enki.org/2017/10/17/publishing-my-genome/ ) ( https://github.com/mcculley/genes-genes ). Can you share what you think the bad outcomes would be? What am I missing? Edit: As people bring up the insurance risk, yes I did consider that and mention it in my post. I am personally not concerned about it and think the advantages outweigh the…

Wait until you will have to wait for your insurance to run a viability test of an experimental cancer drug for your dying loved one, and seeing to denied due to a low probably of success. But by then it will be too late wont it. Given its ties to Google they have the data already anyway...I am sure a search is part of the HR process.

That's already being done. Unless you have certain genetic markers in your tumor, insurance will deny certain therapies since they are unlikely to work.

Why is that bad?

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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I don't understand these concerns. I have published my data from 23andMe ( https://enki.org/2017/10/17/publishing-my-genome/ ) ( https://github.com/mcculley/genes-genes ). Can you share what you think the bad outcomes would be? What am I missing? Edit: As people bring up the insurance risk, yes I did consider that and mention it in my post. I am personally not concerned about it and think the advantages outweigh the…

I’ve also done 23andme and am open about my data. I can think of about 3 negative outcomes (maybe insurance problems that could occur without regulation; family privacy issues if someone wanted to track you or a family member down; annoying advertising), and about 1,000 positive outcomes (contributing data to help cure cancer, predict disease susceptibility, drug response, improve general health and wellness, et cete…

Another way they could abuse this would be to find some loosely genetic-based "treatment" that just so happens to require expensive DNA tests. I'm sure it's more profitable to use the universal fear of cancer to sell tests than it is to actually attack cancerous cells directly.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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This is an attempt to catolog every human being on this planet for surveillance. I'm sure you know how an ex-cop turned out to be the infamous golden state killer. While it's wonderful that these cold cases are now being solved, it also raises a strong privacy issue and also moral one. If criminals know they will be caught eventually thanks to genealogy and DNA cataloging, wouldn't this drive them to get rid of the D…

In response to your final sentence, making it so criminals have to work harder to get caught is never a bad thing. Consider the alternative.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

Imagine the possibilities of direct to consumer targeted marketing: “ Based on your genetic profile you’re 27% more likely to develop ________, talk to your doctor about how GSK’s _________ can help ”

Or worse: "based on the $200 introductory test we found that you MAY have a higher predisposition to contracting TerribleItis-B, we urge you to get the ultimate version for $600 to be sure"

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Make no mistake about what is happening here. GSK is buying access to all of the genetic data that 23andMe has. This is why I am wary to use any 23andMe type of service. "The partners plan to use 23andMe’s data to jointly discover drug targets." They will claim all kinds of protections of course, but it is only a matter of time until genetic data starts being resold.

I don't understand these concerns. I have published my data from 23andMe ( https://enki.org/2017/10/17/publishing-my-genome/ ) ( https://github.com/mcculley/genes-genes ). Can you share what you think the bad outcomes would be? What am I missing? Edit: As people bring up the insurance risk, yes I did consider that and mention it in my post. I am personally not concerned about it and think the advantages outweigh the…

There's always the risk that a psychopath will create a neutered copy of you inside a virtual Star Trek inspired simulation.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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I asked 23andMe if there was any way to delete my genetic data from their site after the Equifax hack news. From their response: "23andMe and our third party genotyping laboratory will retain Genetic Information, date of birth, and sex as required for compliance with applicable legal obligations, including the U.S. Federal Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 (CLIA), California Business and Professional…

I believe there are services that will do whole genome seq for you for under $10k(and I assume won’t keep your data). You could then use Promethease for analysis. I’m unaware of any way you could do self-DNA testing at home unless you wanted to spend $100k+ on equipment, reagents, etc. The Nanopore might be relevant but I haven’t looked into it much.

$1000 for the Minion and 2 flow cells. $900 per flow cell after that[0]. For 30x coverage (standard) takes about 15 flow cells[1]. So looking at $12700 to DIY.

[0] https://store.nanoporetech.com/flowcells.html

[1] https://nanoporetech.com/about-us/news/human-genome-minion

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Using genetic data to find new drugs strikes me as a very good use of this data. Medical data is essential to the process of finding new drugs and treating patients and is highly regulated. I think you're right to be concerned about sharing of genetic data, but conflating facebook / google data sharing practices with medical data sharing is not appropriate If the concern is that 23and me may bring the google / FB app…

Agreed. People underestimate how excruciating it is to collect large sample-sizes of genetic data. The database 23andMe has is so stupidly valuable because 1. the sequencing is already done (and paid for) and 2. They can follow up with surveys electronically. This kind of voluntary ancestry service will probably be the only way we will ever be able to collect the millions of samples needed for powered WGS GWAS analys…

I agree 23 and me database is valuable but more for the second reason

I think the 23 and me data is not sequencing data but genotype data. So it only looks at a certain type of mutation in a limited set of ~500k known mutations. I may be wrong so please correct me if so. So you won't find as many rare mutations in this data, or non-SNP mutations. Also I don't think they have robust clinical data for all subjects, it's just self reported. Again I may be wrong, I haven't done a 23 and me

This is a big deal for drug development. Each drug basically targets one protein. So you need a genetic marker that has a large effect size and is well correlated with a clinical phenotype. Not having clinical data is a big issue here. Also, 23 and mes database is not designed to find large effect size mutations -- their advantage is scale, and I think they only measure known mutations, so they are good at picking up common mutations with small effect sizes in common disease. The depression study they did is a good example of this application

But that type of study is low value for drug dev. You want large effect sizes. So if you have a big dataset, you want to find rare mutations with large effect sizes that are linked to extreme phenotypes, not common mutations with low effect size linked to common phenotypes. Basically finding more PCSK9 type mutations. Having only genotype data rather than sequencing data really hurts here

That's why I much prefer something like the Regeneron Genetic Center to 23 and me. They get robust clinical data, do while exome sequencing, and collect data from targeted populations where signalnis easier to discover.

In fact GSK was part of the RGC consortium but dropped out, dunno why. This may be their "rebound" from that

Again my assumptions about 23andme may be off bc I haven't used their product

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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I don't want to spread FUD but why would ANYONE in their right mind give their DNA to a company in Silicon Valley that is explicitely using Google as a model for Data privacy ? (The founder of 23AndMe is the ex-wife of Google founder). Even worse, people are actually PAYING quite a lot to get the privilege of having that company playing with your most private data. This field needs to be heavily regulated. In 20 year…

> why would ANYONE in their right mind give their DNA to a company in Silicon Valley that is explicitely using Google as a model for Data privacy ? (The founder of 23AndMe is the ex-wife of Google founder).

I don't think a former personal relationship indicates the respective companies operate the same way.

> Even worse, people are actually PAYING quite a lot to get the privilege of having that company playing with your most private data.

Paying for something is a good thing. Historically in the Valley, companies for whose services you do not pay money tend to abuse your data as they use it as a source to earn money. I think in general, companies take more care of your data if the contract is explicit: I pay you money for this service, and expect corresponding controls over my privacy. Now, I'm not saying it's the case at all companies, just that I think the trend you mention is reversed.

> This field needs to be heavily regulated.

I agree. We absolutely should have better laws, and people should be able to delete their data without question (and not have remnants stored). In the EU, that wouldn't fly.

Disclaimer: I worked at 23andMe.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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Imagine the possibilities of direct to consumer targeted marketing: “ Based on your genetic profile you’re 27% more likely to develop ________, talk to your doctor about how GSK’s _________ can help ”

Why is that a bad thing? Wouldn't want it popping up while I'm looking for dinner recipes, but it's a hell of a lot more useful than shoe ads. It needs to be deeply regulated -- but most ads indicating health benefits already are .

You shouldnt be downvoted for asking an honest question. I'd answer this by rephrasing it as "What's so bad about online advertising? All they're doing is showing me targeted products that are likely to interest me." Well now think of spyware, intrusive ads with sound, popups, etc.

The general answer is that medicine is supposed to help you. But advertisers aren't paid to help you. Theyre paid to get you to buy things. And all the trickery and marketing tactics aren't conducive to getting you the correct treatment.

Re: GlaxoSmithKline makes $300M investment in 23andMe, forms 50-50 R&D pact

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post #71

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Wait until you will have to wait for your insurance to run a viability test of an experimental cancer drug for your dying loved one, and seeing to denied due to a low probably of success. But by then it will be too late wont it. Given its ties to Google they have the data already anyway...I am sure a search is part of the HR process.

That's already being done. Unless you have certain genetic markers in your tumor, insurance will deny certain therapies since they are unlikely to work. Why is that bad?

The insurance carrier has a conflict of interest. Over in Europe they have public bodies issuing treatment guidelines, but that would be a political impossibility in the US.
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