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Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by Fnoord »

walrus01 wrote: post #28
coldtea wrote: post #17

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> I don't see how you can get more cooling with a firmware change when the fans are already going at full speed It's not about what you do when the temperature if at its peaks and the fans are going at full speed, it's about how you avoid getting there. > How is this going to impact some of those bad solder joints MacBooks are famous for? When did MacBooks became famous for "bad solder joints"?

there were a whole series of macbook pros from around 2010-2012 which had the nvidia discrete GPUs, BGA chips, come unsoldered from the motherboard on their own under normal usage. (edit: nvidia, not amd/ati radeon)

Discrete GPU on my former MBP 2010 would regularly crash. Would need to force it on the integrated, slower though less power hungry Intel GPU.

Supposedly the whole Nvidia debacle is the reason why Apple hardware doesn't sport Nvidia anymore. Though you can get them to work sometimes with iGPU, its more safe to keep up with AMD.

I'm not sure about FreeSync vs Gsync though, and I suppose Moonlight doesn't work on AMD.

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Post by crtasm »

always_good wrote: post #148
reaperducer wrote: post #106

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When did MacBooks became famous for "bad solder joints"? Have you noticed how low the bar is for "famous" these days? Whether it's some FaceTube "star" or tech "scandal" du jour, everything is massive these days and everyone on the planet is affected. Somehow, there are no small issues anymore.

My friend and I have a hobby of linking each other to headlines of "The Internet is Outraged about " where the article body embeds 10 random tweets.

How would ten randomly picked tweets have anything to do with X ?

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dTal »

dimillian wrote: post #220
mirimir wrote: post #211

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From what I've read, it's stable at ~92°C.[0] That seems damn high to me, but then I'm most familiar with desktops and servers, where you can cool far more aggressively. So is long term ~92°C hard on CPUs? 0) https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-macbook-pro-speed-throttling...

My old MacBook Pro I had for more than 5 years is 90% of the time around 100C. Whenever I'm working or playing. It's still working good.

That's a ridiculous temperature. That is literally the thermal limit for all recent Intel CPUs - they throttle to avoid actual damage at that point. No computer, not even a thin laptop, should be hitting that temperature or anything close to it.

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Post by rtkwe »

skate22 wrote: post #230
piva00 wrote: post #228

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I hope there is no water whatsoever in your chips.

Does liquid cooling count

That's not in the chips. The liquid in a cooling loop doesn't get to the temperature of the actual die if it did it wouldn't actually be cooling the die any more. Also the temp reading are down in the die itself and there's a gradient between the die -> heatspreader -> cooling block (air or water) -> 'cooling medium' (ie air/water).

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by davidkuhta »

SteveNuts wrote: post #96
curiousgal wrote: post #75

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I feel bad for the other famous YouTuber who published a video basically saying that everyone are overreacting.

For every internet action there's an equal and opposite overreaction.

The 3rd Law of Emotion.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by joshstrange »

grecy wrote: post #198
joshstrange wrote: post #179

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That I can’t really answer, I didn’t do a ton of benchmarking other than the CPU which I had seen that jagged pattern before so to see it so smooth and not fall under base clock was all I was looking for.

Does the fan seem to run more / higher rpm now?

I have not noticed that, and I did pay attention to that while running Cinebench.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dpkonofa »

sjwright wrote: post #174
stcredzero wrote: post #120

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Sure, he's got his axe to grind. I mean, you can't watch Louis and not think he's got an axe to grind -- like maybe even literally in a makeshift workbench in his kitchen with a whetstone. But even if you watch his videos with the most cynical stance, it's still very eyebrow raising. Apple has had it's share of design 'doh! That's pretty much undeniable in gory detail -- far beyond the big headlines everyone knows ab…

The problem is his arguments are devoid of context or proportion. He is looking with a microscope—both metaphorically and literally—at tiny details on a circuit board which don't seem to be a problem for >99% of Apple's customers. Are these points of failure really any more common on Apple devices than their competitors? (There is a remarkable difference in mindset for the majority of MacBook and PC laptop owners. PC…

>If everyone in the independent repair industry was at least as competent as Louis is today, Louis would have a point. But they're not, so he doesn't.

This is exactly the point that I feel like I constantly have to get across to people that support him. Louis is incredibly smart when it comes to electronics repair. It's exactly the reason that I know, for certain, that he's being disingenuous. He's too smart and too knowledgeable in most of these topics to gloss over these issues the way that he does unless he has an ulterior motive and it's clear that he does. Apple's fight against "Right to Repair" (which is misleadingly named anyways) isn't about people repairing their own devices, it never was. It's about preventing repair shops from doing those repairs and giving Apple a bad name because someone sees an iPhone where the screen fell off the front ("where the front's not supposed to fall off!").

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dpkonofa »

sjwright wrote: post #212
stcredzero wrote: post #183

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I would be very surprised if Louis specifically endorsed non Gorilla glass replacements. It's possible that he does. I just watch his repair videos. As far as that goes: don't buy them, and don't get repairs from someone who would sell you one! I know multiple people who have had their iPhones independently repaired only to have the screen break again in a matter of days or weeks, under the most innocuous of circumst…

> I would be very surprised if Louis specifically endorsed non Gorilla glass replacements. He pretty much does. "So what they do is they take this screen ... and they replace the front glass layer. Most of the time the only thing wrong with the screen is the front glass layer is cracked. They put a new glass on it in China and then they sell it to us in the United States as a refurbished iPhone screen ... That is not…

>I understand why Louis gets worked up about this particular issue, but he's just flat out wrong.

Which is exactly why Apple's distinction was the logo on the product. If it's not the exact same product, it shouldn't be able to bear their logo. Judges deciding that it doesn't matter because users will never see the logo are missing the point, imo. It only opens the door to all kinds of 3rd party parts and repairs where it's not the exact same product but you're paying for it as if it is.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by dpkonofa »

x2f10 wrote: post #150
dpkonofa wrote: post #97

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That's why they're explicitly not referred to as laptops but notebook computers. It's the reason Apple calls them MacBooks only and not laptops.

You have to be kidding. What you're referring to is a branding tactic. It has nothing to do with some subconscious direction on how to use the device. It's not only reasonable, but expected, that customers will use the device in their laps... no matter what the naming convention. Come on.

Not kidding at all. The entire industry made a huge hard stop and turn on the terminology around 2001/2001 after Dell was sued because a man claimed that his "laptop" burned his thighs/penis when the CPU/battery heated up and the fans didn't turn on. The courts ruled that "laptop" implied that the machine was safe to use in that manner and the guy was awarded damages. After that, it became exclusively "notebook" or "portable" computer industry-wide. I haven't really put any thought into it recently but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any manufacturer referring to their machines as "laptops" now.

Edit: It was a Dell Latitude that burned the man's penis: http://ftp.compal.com/Download/NB/NCL50/User-Service%20manua...

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