SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias • Hacker News Board

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by EliRivers » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 PM UTC

bcx wrote: post #13

It seems that ultimately this just subsidizes the commercial real-estate owners. 1) Force companies to not have free cafeterias 2) Workers have to buy lunch from local businesses 3) Restaurant Location becomes more valuable given the large number of workers forced to find lunch and buy it. 4) Raise rents on restaurants because space is now more valuable, since it is basically subsidized by nearby tech companies. 5) R…

since it is basically subsidized by nearby tech companies

Well, those tech companies are subsidized by their own customers and investors. Although this is the first time I've heard the act of people paying for goods and services described as a subsidy. I guess I subsidise the supermarket every time I buy some milk.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by a-dub » Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 10:37 PM UTC

I never understood the point of an on-site cafeteria in a centrally located urban office anyway. It makes loads of sense in the spread-out suburban 20m to the nearest Chili's hellscape that is the ever pleasant south bay, but you really don't need it in SF. I feel like a lot of it was a sort of "us too" copying of Google/Oracle without fully understanding why it was done in the first place.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by RestlessMind » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 12:20 AM UTC

I really wish someone challenges this all the way to the Supreme Court. Current composition of the court gives me hope that such stupid laws are struck down.

Because if this ban is allowed to stand, what is to stop the government from banning other perks - gyms, shuttles, massages etc.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by Hjalti » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 12:20 AM UTC

refurb wrote: post #50

jonny_eh wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe those things will get addressed once people have to run a gauntlet to buy a sandwich. It's much harder to ignore in an ivory tower.

Unless you live and work in the same building, there is no ignoring this stuff in SF.

I don't see in FIDI. Not sure how SOMA is

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by diogenescynic » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 12:54 AM UTC

mbgaxyz wrote: post #23

Maybe office workers prefer not to have to run the gauntlet of feces and hypodermic needles, just to buy a sandwich. "San Francisco Man Steps on Hydodermic Needle, Demands Action" https://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/SF-Businesses-W... "Junkies Take Over Corridors Of San Francisco Civic Center BART Station" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gT5NULvRSk "SF Crime, Squalor Scares Away $40 Million Medical Conventi…

The city government here is terrible. We’ve gone well past the point of of tolerance here. There are tons of violent, aggressive, tweakers and thieves the city does nothing about. I feel for the mentally ill and they deserve help. But there are even more that are just crackheads and tweakers who just don’t want to live in society and prefer living on the street. We have got to start enforcing the law and driving those criminal types out of the city or put them in jail. I can’t even go to the Safeway down the street without feeling unsafe. I have to walk my wife to her car every day because there have been so many creeps and weirdos in our garage.... cops refuse to do jackshit about trespassing. Why is such a shithole so expensive? Can’t we pay a little more and just solve this problem? The status quo cannot be allowed to continue.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by diogenescynic » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 1:00 AM UTC

This is an awful idea. This will just hurt blue collar workers employed in those cafeterias. Why is our city government so ineffective and asinine?

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by wahern » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 2:40 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #72

mbgaxyz wrote: post #23

Maybe office workers prefer not to have to run the gauntlet of feces and hypodermic needles, just to buy a sandwich. "San Francisco Man Steps on Hydodermic Needle, Demands Action" https://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/SF-Businesses-W... "Junkies Take Over Corridors Of San Francisco Civic Center BART Station" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gT5NULvRSk "SF Crime, Squalor Scares Away $40 Million Medical Conventi…

I don’t think Breed is okay with this display of overbearing government. This outlsndish and hope it wakes people up to the misalignment between govt and the needs of the population at large.

Breed comes from the moderate wing, like most of SF's real leadership.

Aaron Peskin and his allies like Safai and Kim... I don't know what to call them. They style themselves progressive but really all they do is pander to various constituencies across the spectrum of SF politics. Their policies are inconsistent and altogether ridiculous. They're a reflection of our absurd national politics--reactionary, pseudo-intellectual, anything but pragmatic and results oriented.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by bhawks » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 2:59 AM UTC

wahern wrote: post #97

mc32 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Breed is okay with this display of overbearing government. This outlsndish and hope it wakes people up to the misalignment between govt and the needs of the population at large.

Breed comes from the moderate wing, like most of SF's real leadership. Aaron Peskin and his allies like Safai and Kim... I don't know what to call them. They style themselves progressive but really all they do is pander to various constituencies across the spectrum of SF politics. Their policies are inconsistent and altogether ridiculous. They're a reflection of our absurd national politics--reactionary, pseudo-intel…

Kakistocracy seems to sum them up

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 4:05 AM UTC

wahern wrote: post #97

mc32 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Breed is okay with this display of overbearing government. This outlsndish and hope it wakes people up to the misalignment between govt and the needs of the population at large.

Breed comes from the moderate wing, like most of SF's real leadership. Aaron Peskin and his allies like Safai and Kim... I don't know what to call them. They style themselves progressive but really all they do is pander to various constituencies across the spectrum of SF politics. Their policies are inconsistent and altogether ridiculous. They're a reflection of our absurd national politics--reactionary, pseudo-intel…

I think you're right. I hope the citizenry prove her right and re-elect her in 18 months. But I can already Imagine Peskin and Kim conspiring against her. Those two are not there to serve "the people" they only serve very narrow interests and derail the city from consistent policies to better it for everyone.

Re: SF Supervisors Move to Ban Workplace Cafeterias

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Post by carapace » Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 4:43 AM UTC

thr0waway5678 wrote: post #81

mertd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulations almost always cause some sort of rent seeking behavior. Sometimes they are negligible in comparison to the greater good gained from the regulation. I don't think this is the case here.

There would never be rent seeking behavior without regulations. The natural state of mankind is perfect harmonious cooperation without the spectre of rules agreed upon by communities.

> If Princes and Monarchs could but preserve this simplicity, every creature in the world would submit itself to them; Heaven and Earth would be in mutual accord, and shower down sweet dew; the people would need no laws, but live in harmony of themselves.