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Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by namibj »

Kequc wrote: post #128
paavoova wrote: post #116

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You claim to be a "poweruser", but then go and speak out of pure ignorance when it comes to Linux. You say "Apple hardware is beyond superior", when in reality Apple glorifies form over function with soldered, unserviceable parts (and actively lobbies against self-repair), and removal of ports (very anti-poweruser, if you ask me), all of which turn their laptops into disposable gadgets meant for the consumer demograp…

Really? What's the best Linux distro/toolset to use in order to get anything to show up in a usable way in HDPI? I don't think you can buy new monitors anymore that are at low enough a resolution to support modern Linux.

Err, you must be looking in the wrong aisle/store. You can certainly buy new, good IPS/MVA panels (as a finsihed, desktop-ready unit) with more classic dpi. E.g. the classic format 19" 1280*1024: iiyama PROLITE P1905S-B2 available for 150~200$ new. To be fair, this is probably one of the, if not the lowest DPI/resolution desktop screen they offer, but still. it's at about 86 DPI, they also sell a 32" 1080p screen running at 68 DPI. I do like it a bit higher between about 100~110 DPI, and above 120 DPI requires high DPI technology. So, yes, please consider reasonable hardware. Don't buy HighDPI if you don't want to handle HighDPI with legacy software.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by rasz »

flying_sheep wrote: post #131

I doubt if this patch will decrease the lifespan of MacBook. Because for silicon chips, 10 degree Celsius rise in operating temperature will roughly decrease life span by half. If Apple relax the temperature constraint by 20 degree Celsius (e.g. from 50 degree to 70 degree), it is expected that the lifespan of some component will decrease by 75%.

Except macbooks almost never see 50, and rarely 70 degrees, its 80-100 all day when actually using cpu.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by namibj »

sacheendra wrote: post #85
yulaow wrote: post #53

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Same, since 2009. Even got better battery than on windows (and by far since windows 10) But it's true that you better buy a laptop that you know has good support. eg: almost any dell, almost any asus, any thinkpad.

Another comment today mentioned the low quality of asus laptops. I have never owned one, but buying an apple laptop is supposed to relieve all these doubts about good brands, years and models.

Show me a MacBook as robust as a T or W series Thinkpad. They play in the same price/performance class, except that the former has a fancy touchpad and the latter a trackpoint. And it is unlikely to break, and the non-touch versions come with a matte screen that actually works as long as you don't have the sun in your back. And even then, cleaning the screen from dust and increasing the contrast/gamma does wonders.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by namibj »

matt4077 wrote: post #77
earenndil wrote: post #39

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I've had no driver problems running linux on my laptop, just sayin.

Wasn't a Linux laptop with hibernation, sound, and wireless working at the same time one of the UN's Millenium Goals?

Err, what do I want to hibernate? S3 is pretty energy efficient and you'd likely want security patches anyway before the battery runs out on LPDDR3/LPDDR4 ram.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by namibj »

fredsted wrote: post #157
ddtaylor wrote: post #155

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Louis Rossmann on YouTube has a take on this "you're using it wrong" culture of Apple products I find interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYHwkIuEMo

All computers get really hot when doing stuff like video rendering, not really apple specific

Actually i only sweat with my thinkpad, but that might come from it having 1) slightly lower TDP (30W instead of the 50 I read above), and 2) a thermal design that does not result in any part being too hot to touch. Even in ambient temperatures that are no longer healthy for a resting human.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by satysin »

ddtaylor wrote: post #155
satysin wrote: post #83

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Why would anyone put a high end laptop on their legs while doing a prolonged intensive task such as video rendering??

Louis Rossmann on YouTube has a take on this "you're using it wrong" culture of Apple products I find interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYHwkIuEMo

I find Louis hard to watch if I am honest. Yes I know Apple don't make the best products but let's be honest they are not actually that bad. I know he doesn't like Apple, he hates all the soldered components making things hard to impossible to repair, etc. He loves his ThinkPad's which is cool (I love them also) but I just got bored of his constant Apple hating.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by namibj »

satysin wrote: post #87
bradenb wrote: post #84

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Isn't part of the definition of a laptop that it should be able to be used comfortably resting on the user's lap?

Well you can put it on your bare legs if you really want to and during general use doing so is fine but rendering video is going to make it get hot and very uncomfortable.

Place a W-series Thinpad on your bare legs on a warm summer day (think you can just still survive/think at all without A/C). You will want to get it away as you can't sweat well under it, and it's dumping some heat into your blood. That's it, despite some discomfort you won't mind it. And apparently the make them with more TDP than apple seems to be able to handle, but instead of an i9 they appear to jump directly to a Xeon. Those start at over $3500 in base configuration though....

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

joshstrange wrote: post #60

This appears to be working as expected. Here is a graph [0] of the Intel Power Gadget while I ran Cinebench. They are not the same length because it took longer before the update and I cut out the parts before and after. Pretty striking difference IMHO and it never went below base clock after the update. I was worried about my i9 but I'm not anymore. Also if anyone is wondering it went from 780cb -> 860cb but I would…

Glad to hear the fix works out for you. It's rare that apple will fix something like this so fast, but it's entirely possible this just slipped past QA since apple doesn't test throttling that thoroughly it seems.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by ddtaylor »

satysin wrote: post #166
ddtaylor wrote: post #155

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Louis Rossmann on YouTube has a take on this "you're using it wrong" culture of Apple products I find interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYHwkIuEMo

I find Louis hard to watch if I am honest. Yes I know Apple don't make the best products but let's be honest they are not actually that bad. I know he doesn't like Apple, he hates all the soldered components making things hard to impossible to repair, etc. He loves his ThinkPad's which is cool (I love them also) but I just got bored of his constant Apple hating.

Watch any content provider enough and you'll probably get tired of them IMO

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Post by threeseed »

gowld wrote: post #158
dpkonofa wrote: post #94

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A few things that I take issue with here: 1) Louis Rossman has a vested interest in drumming up attention for his videos and has, on multiple occasions, used false statements and misleading practices to do so. Just like in the initial release video of the Touch Bar MBPs where he used an unshielded USB-A to USB-C cable and then complained that WiFi wasn't working. When used with a shielded cable, the issue went away a…

Apple charges a huge premium for their machines because they supposedly integrate design and QA so that they don't ship with broken video cards like cheap commodity computers do.

Since when did Apple or anyone claim this ?

I have had a Mac since the 512K days and they have always shipped with commodity components and Apple has never had some magic pixie dust that made them fail at lower rates than if they were in a PC. Nor have they ever individually tested every machine to guarantee it works.

Apple has and will always ship with broken video cards. And broken displays. And broken CPUs etc etc.

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