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Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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Not if I carry the USB sticks in my pocket at all times!

That's a recipe for losing data even more frequently...

I haven't lost my house keys once. I'm sure I can manage to do the same with a USB stick? Especially if it has a keychain hook so I can put it on my house keys keychain!

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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Synology or QNAP NAS. They collect backups from all computer in the house, encrypt them and ship the encrypted blobs to AWS Glacier. Synology in particular is a fantastic platform which does way more than a traditional NAS. It's quite polished personal cloud platform (way more so than FreeNAS) and includes hundreds of apps, even the backups into the cloud can be done in different ways. I also place a premium on the f…

At least on Synology you can have your choice of storage vendors using the built in cloud sync app; it natively supports Rsync, AWS, Glacier, B2, Amazon, DropBox, Azure, whatever.

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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I love simple software that doesn't too much magic. For this reason, I use rsync to a btrfs volume (both local, on a USB stick, and remote over SSH). Then I take a btrfs snapshot, so I have versioned and unduplicated backups. Furthermore, rsync supports gitignore-like files, so you can control what gets and what doesn't get backuped in a very fine-grained way. Tarsnap is also a great option. For your particular use c…

> I love simple software that doesn't too much magic. > > For this reason, I use rsync to a btrfs volume If btrfs were simple software redhat/fedora wouldn't have abandoned it in favor of xfs.

Then another filesystem with snapshot support.

My point is to use utilities that do one thing, and compose well.

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a recipe for losing data even more frequently...

I haven't lost my house keys once. I'm sure I can manage to do the same with a USB stick? Especially if it has a keychain hook so I can put it on my house keys keychain!

I guess that's a strategy. It wouldn't work for me, I lose everything (including house keys a few times).

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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I’m just going to speak to longevity. If you are worried about the longevity of your data I would keep it simple.

1. Primary data storage 2. Local online backup 3. Off-site backup (rotate/sync regularly) 4. Online backup - Backblaze

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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I have a 4TB Hard Drive attached to an OpenWRT router (Rasberry Pi's are also a popular choice). The router exposes a locked down SSH port (SFTP only) through a cheap $5 a month VPS. I also use Jottacloud [1] who provide unlimited (yes unlimited) storage for 7.5 EUR a month. Based in Norway, they keep an up to date warrant canary. Client side, I backup to both of these services using Duplicati [2] which offers client…

I just started experimenting with Syncthing because Dropbox no longer meets my needs. So far I'm pretty happy and impressed, it's a decentralized piece of software that Just Works (TM). My plan for backups is to spin up a VPS somewhere and have them back it up. I also love that it can use LAN; I can finally sync up my giant mp3 collection.

+1 on syncthing.

I have one on my computer, one one our Raspberry Mediabox (with a dedicated drive) and one on a dedicated VS.

New version using inotify really helped the Pi !

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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> I love simple software that doesn't too much magic. > > For this reason, I use rsync to a btrfs volume If btrfs were simple software redhat/fedora wouldn't have abandoned it in favor of xfs.

Then another filesystem with snapshot support. My point is to use utilities that do one thing, and compose well.

Ok, but this approach is pushing the complexity down the stack into the kernel/filesystem. And a general-purpose performance-oriented snapshotting filesystem is going to be making a lot of compromises that aren't really ideally suited to backup duties.

Plan9's Venti/Fossil immediately come to mind as an example of simplicity in this vein.

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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A bunch of RAID disks at home. If you value your data, you should own your data.

RAID isn't a backup

Context. The question was "how do you backup your files." My answer: on my RAID system at home. The RAID system IS the backup.

Re: Ask HN: How do you backup your files without depending on a third party service?

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You can buy USB3 M.2 SSD enclosures for ~$20. They are larger than normal flash drives at about 5" long but still reasonably pocketable and much higher performance than normal flash drives. Drop in a 1TB SSD for ~$200 and you're good to go. I had a friend in college that backed up all of his files on a flash drive but he used git rather than rsync.

> Drop in a 1TB SSD for ~$200 and you're good to go. O_o ...For some reason, my mental model of SSD rates was stuck in 2014 at $0.50/GB. As I type this, my laptop is busy moving a VM image over to the NAS to free up some space on my 256 GB SSD. But no, according to https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/internal-hard-drive/ and https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/ , you can indeed find SSDs at $0.20/…

After my last SSD died, I'd have a hard time trusting SSD's again for backup purposes (this is probably 8-10 years ago though I suppose).

It was more the way it failed - I had one or two boots where a few errors started to pop up, and then the next boot, nothing - the disk had disappeared to the BIOS' eyes and any other tools - just dead as a doornail with no easy way of getting any of the data off it.

I assume they've improved in that regard, or are spinning platters still a safer proposition over the long term?

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