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Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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I've had no driver problems running linux on my laptop, just sayin.

Wasn't a Linux laptop with hibernation, sound, and wireless working at the same time one of the UN's Millenium Goals?

That was the original draft, but they chickened out and just decided to halve poverty by 2015 instead.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Nice, I was going to buy the lowest spec CPU version of the 2018 yes or yes so seeing that the thermal issues are getting improved just affirms my decision. I think the 2018 might be the new 2015. Apple MacBooks are like classic wines, some years are better than others, but you'll pay through the nose for every vintage anyway ;) My 2008 alu worked without a hitch for 10 years until a bad third party battery started t…

That's my hope as well, as soon as I saw the iFixit report on the silicone cones on the keys I pulled the trigger on the 15" i9 32GB RAM 1TB SSD and I love it. This throttling issue worried me a lot but after the fix I am seeing it not fall below clock [0]. I came from a late-2013 which was a great laptop (though I know the 2015 was the sweet spot, I was going to upgrade to that if the 2018 didn't address my top issu…

That's sweet. I wasn't sure this fix would be able to tame the i9.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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The Surface is probably a great Surface, and you might prefer it to a Mac, but a Surface is a terrible Mac, for much the same reason a Mac is a terrible Surface.

As I say, I upgraded my MacBook Pro - for that is what MBP means - to a Surface, so I am quite familiar with both thanks. But by all means ignore my advice and pay through the nose for a device that is blatantly not fit for purpose, I'll be over here enjoying the superior computing experience that Steve Jobs would have wanted me to have!

I would hardly call the Surface family cheap.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Generally you can’t get a sense for how widespread an issue is from social media, because it’s a perfect medium for confirmation bias. Confirming links and stories are shared/upvoted/forwarded while non-confirming ones are ignored or dismissed (or outright attacked for some reason).

This is basically the story of the modern world as viewed through the distorting lens that is media (and especially social media). I wish people would take the two sentences you wrote and then use them as a corrective lens that undoes this distorted perspective.

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Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Yikes, pretty bad showing by Apple here. They don't have the leeway that they did when they had Steve Jobs... they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future.

> they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future. Does that really matter though? I was just discussing this with someone over the weekend... his thesis was that people buy Apple because of branding, which might be true as far as the majority of customers are concerned... But for people like me (powerusers), MacBooks are simply the best possible choice. Everything else is either ad…

It's pretty trivial to disable all of the telemetry in windows 10. I'm not saying microsoft should get a pass for such nonsense but it's a little over the top to act like windows 10 is DOA botnet.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Yikes, pretty bad showing by Apple here. They don't have the leeway that they did when they had Steve Jobs... they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future.

> they have tremendous brand loyalty, but will need to be more careful in the future. Does that really matter though? I was just discussing this with someone over the weekend... his thesis was that people buy Apple because of branding, which might be true as far as the majority of customers are concerned... But for people like me (powerusers), MacBooks are simply the best possible choice. Everything else is either ad…

You claim to be a "poweruser", but then go and speak out of pure ignorance when it comes to Linux. You say "Apple hardware is beyond superior", when in reality Apple glorifies form over function with soldered, unserviceable parts (and actively lobbies against self-repair), and removal of ports (very anti-poweruser, if you ask me), all of which turn their laptops into disposable gadgets meant for the consumer demographic first and foremost. I'll say Apple displays are great, though. Your comment about "just works" betrays your preference for abstraction (once again, not a very "poweruser" sentiment), and shows ignorance (Wi-fi: macOS maintains a whitelist of wifi adapters, to the annoyance of "hackintosh" builders, and has far less wifi support than any Linux distribution. Backups: Why would you ever want to abstract this to some software interface? There's too many tools to name which you can levy for your needs on Linux, e.g. rsync, tar. Sharing: SSH).

"Poweruser"? No, I feel the more accurate term would be power-consumer.

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And yet, we've survived more "gates" without Jobs in the past few years as well. Batterygate recently, or bendgate?

I always felt "bendgate" was a non-issue. Just a bunch of hipsters who were too dumb to understand that you don't put a phone in the back pocket of your skinny jeans. It's a slab of glass. What kind of person thinks that's a good idea?

At the same time it is a phone ... who thinks to put it in their pocket?

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Shouldn't there be performance testing for common tasks (rendering video) like what Dave2D did? For a company like Apple that has a lot of resources, wouldn't it make sense to have that department that does just that, performance testing on specific apps. The testers can just focus on Apple software for ex (iMovie, Final Cut) and they could have caught this "bug" earlier.

There is and they should. But bugs tend to find a way anyway.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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"could drive clock speeds down under heavy thermal loads" So now it just don't give a shit and fires away at the highest clock, without a care in the world about temperatures? The clock speed should go down under "heavy thermal load", that's not a bug...

The CPU itself had plenty of thermal headroom, but was overdrawing the power system - which then thermally throttled itself way more aggressively and in a less-controlled manner. The update changes the curve to ensure that the CPU doesn't draw more power than the power system can handle for extended periods. The CPU will still downclock itself as needed if it experiences its own thermal overload.

Are you saying Intel CPUs now can adapt to power loss, instead of just not working? I doubt that very much. The CPU got too hot(easily reaching 100C) so there was definetly not "plenty of headroom", in fact, there was no headroom at all.

Re: Apple releases software fix for MacBook Pro slowdown

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Watch a bunch of Louis Rossman YouTube videos. He knows all about the seedy underbelly of Macbook hardware design mistakes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcEt073Uds

A few things that I take issue with here: 1) Louis Rossman has a vested interest in drumming up attention for his videos and has, on multiple occasions, used false statements and misleading practices to do so. Just like in the initial release video of the Touch Bar MBPs where he used an unshielded USB-A to USB-C cable and then complained that WiFi wasn't working. When used with a shielded cable, the issue went away a…

Sure, he's got his axe to grind. I mean, you can't watch Louis and not think he's got an axe to grind -- like maybe even literally in a makeshift workbench in his kitchen with a whetstone. But even if you watch his videos with the most cynical stance, it's still very eyebrow raising. Apple has had it's share of design 'doh! That's pretty much undeniable in gory detail -- far beyond the big headlines everyone knows about.
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