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Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by pietroglyph »

bhamta wrote: post #63

I like how Google tries to masquerade their corporate goals behind the 'portability' banner. Google Cloud is in a distant third place behind AWS and Azure, so ofcourse they don't want developers to have tight coupling to their competitors. This portable cloud strategy is a mirage. I haven't seen anyone migrate providers easily (we tried in my last company). In reality, you have to break the cloud agnostic abstraction…

> I like how Google tries to masquerade their corporate goals behind the 'portability' banner.

This may further Google's corporate goals, but that doesn't mean it wont actually increase portability, or that it's actually a bad thing for people who want to avoid lock-in.

> In reality, you have to break the cloud agnostic abstraction to leverage provider specific functionality.

I agree this is a difficulty, but I think that it's also avoidable if you make a disciplined commitment to interoperability. Just as you have to put in the effort to use this new "portable" API, you also have to choose not to defeat the former investment. Saying that this API is useless because you end up using provider specific functionality anyway is like complaining loudly that something is broken when you're using it wrong in the first place.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by weberc2 »

bhamta wrote: post #63

I like how Google tries to masquerade their corporate goals behind the 'portability' banner. Google Cloud is in a distant third place behind AWS and Azure, so ofcourse they don't want developers to have tight coupling to their competitors. This portable cloud strategy is a mirage. I haven't seen anyone migrate providers easily (we tried in my last company). In reality, you have to break the cloud agnostic abstraction…

Reminds me of the situation with SQL vendor abstractions. SQL even has a standard and it’s still difficult to migrate any nontrivial application.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by vsekhar »

mfer wrote: post #73
cflewis wrote: post #27

Hey ho. I worked on this project. The majority of the team is in SF for Google Cloud Next to present this. I'm about to hop into the car to head up myself to watch, so I can do a little AMA throughout the day. Reply to this to make sure I see your question! Here's a question I've already seen: > Is this a Google project or a Go project? It is a project led by the Go team, and we are very aware of our responsibility t…

> we are very aware of our responsibility to be cloud provider neutral Yet, Azure support is listed as unplanned. The language could mean that this is not going to be planned. The fact that y'all have not worked with Azure Go folks to get this moving is something to ponder. A reminder that Go is a Google language and isn't vendor neutral?

PM for Go Cloud here (and poster of the Azure feature request).

"Unplanned" on the issue tracker just means we haven't assigned it to a sprint milestone for the team yet.

Azure and more clouds are very much in the works. As an open project, there are many approaches and we're open to all of them.

One other point: since Go interfaces are implicitly fulfilled, anyone can write and share implementations of Go Cloud for new providers or custom services without asking anyone for permission. If you take a look at the implementations we've provided, you'll find it's actually rather easy.

More to come.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by cflewis »

JustARandomGuy wrote: post #52
cflewis wrote: post #27

Hey ho. I worked on this project. The majority of the team is in SF for Google Cloud Next to present this. I'm about to hop into the car to head up myself to watch, so I can do a little AMA throughout the day. Reply to this to make sure I see your question! Here's a question I've already seen: > Is this a Google project or a Go project? It is a project led by the Go team, and we are very aware of our responsibility t…

Is this compatible with the Go runtime of Google App Engine[0] currently? I was having difficulty getting the golang Google Cloud Storage client to work on App Engine several months ago. 0: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/go/

Possibly! We're targeting Go 1.11 as we want the module support. It might work on GAE as is, but we haven't tested.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by pjmlp »

nine_k wrote: post #66
pjmlp wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go is what Java 1.0 should have been. Question is, how it will move beyond that, if ever.

Go the language now is indeed very similar to Java pre-1.5, but with a better OOP story, and a much better concurrency story. I still think that JVM + JIT is hugely important, though. Now it's importance is somehow diminished by presence of LLVM, but 20 and even 10 years ago the situation with native compilation was different. (I know that the canonical Go compiler does not use LLVM.)

Oberon, Eiffel and Common Lisp already had VM/JIT + AOT.

When Java came around, latest Oberon variant was Active Oberon (Active Objects are similar to goroutines), then we had Eiffel and Modula-3 as well.

Hence why I say it should have been Java 1.0.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by zombiezen »

rajathagasthya wrote: post #36
cflewis wrote: post #27

Hey ho. I worked on this project. The majority of the team is in SF for Google Cloud Next to present this. I'm about to hop into the car to head up myself to watch, so I can do a little AMA throughout the day. Reply to this to make sure I see your question! Here's a question I've already seen: > Is this a Google project or a Go project? It is a project led by the Go team, and we are very aware of our responsibility t…

This looks great! Are there any beginner friendly issues for contribution? Didn't find a related tag in Github issues.

Hi, Tech Lead for Go Cloud here! Glad that you're excited to contribute! We don't have a tag yet since we're just starting out. The best way you can contribute right now is to use Go Cloud for yourself and file any issues that you find.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by kissgyorgy »

My understanding about a cloud provider lock in that it is a well thought-out, conscious decision (at least it should be) and after you made that step, you can use the specific services of the given cloud provider and you never move out.

Are those hybrid/mixed cloud solutions or move between cloud provider viable or that common?

Is there anybody went through a huge cloud migration which went well?

If you need to move, there are huge amount of data you have to move for example between S3 and Google Cloud Storage, is that even possible to do beyond an early stage? I can't imagine.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by spraak »

mfer wrote: post #72
bhamta wrote: post #63

I like how Google tries to masquerade their corporate goals behind the 'portability' banner. Google Cloud is in a distant third place behind AWS and Azure, so ofcourse they don't want developers to have tight coupling to their competitors. This portable cloud strategy is a mirage. I haven't seen anyone migrate providers easily (we tried in my last company). In reality, you have to break the cloud agnostic abstraction…

Note, Azure support is filed under "unplanned"... https://github.com/google/go-cloud/issues/76 Interesting that the #2 cloud provider is listed as unplanned in a library coming out of the Go team.

I mean, AWS is #1 so that makes sense, and then their own platform as their second choice to implement, that makes sense too. I don't think it's like a conspiracy that they haven't released the Azure support yet.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by symlock »

untog wrote: post #67
spraak wrote: post #4

Maybe it's a biased and distorted perception that I have, but Go seems to be the most consistent and unsurprising language I've used, and I mean this positively. I haven't written any Go for over a year since my current job mostly uses Node, but I feel immediately comfortable jumping in to the examples in this blog post. I don't think that I'm explaining what I mean very well, but it's something I don't think is so t…

Go is certainly very easy to reckon with. But I was surprised at how little O cared for it when I tried it, given the hype I'd heard. The two things that immediately jumped out at me were error handling and generics. I understand both were deliberate choices but I'm still surprised they were made - I've been working with Swift a lot lately and it just feels like it makes so much more sense to me. I do love how opinio…

Yes, gofmt is a wonderful since so many other languages can have very different way of writing code leading to harder-than-necessary digestion of new libs or projects.

Re: Portable Cloud Programming with Go Cloud

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Post by vsekhar »

mfer wrote: post #72
bhamta wrote: post #63

I like how Google tries to masquerade their corporate goals behind the 'portability' banner. Google Cloud is in a distant third place behind AWS and Azure, so ofcourse they don't want developers to have tight coupling to their competitors. This portable cloud strategy is a mirage. I haven't seen anyone migrate providers easily (we tried in my last company). In reality, you have to break the cloud agnostic abstraction…

Note, Azure support is filed under "unplanned"... https://github.com/google/go-cloud/issues/76 Interesting that the #2 cloud provider is listed as unplanned in a library coming out of the Go team.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17604358
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