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11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Doing so means putting all Python packages into a single opaque OS-level package. Not fun when your build system and related infrastructure, were all designed to work with OS-level packages.

Can't you just set PYTHON_PATH="where yoy put python" ? > all Python packages That's a weakness in the language. You trade such a simple syntax for dependency hell. Oh, you wanted XML-derp-3.5.2.9.6? Well that requires XML-slurp-2.6.5.9.77 and you only have '75, sorry bud, can't possibly work. Oh but if you upgrade XML-slurp that breaks pycairo-2.7.55-1 and all your GUI code will stop working. Fun stuff.

Not my choice. We've had over 50kloc of Python for several years before I arrived. The packaging shenanigans still occasionally sputter.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Yep. Italian here, Can confirm.

Can you explain why? And does that manifest on a daily level?

For an American anecdote, my father taught at a small rural public university, and he encountered students who were functionally illiterate every year. They were almost always from small rural schools. In a larger school, a kid who couldn't read would have had difficulty passing classes, received remedial instruction, been assessed for intellectual disabilities, and so on. Unless they had extremely serious behavioral problems or congenital intellectual disabilities, or they dropped out of the system entirely, they would learn to read! In a school system that is smaller, less impersonal, without extra programs and resources for a teacher to fall back on, it's really hard to label a kid a failure and deny him a diploma just because he's falling behind academically and the unsupported, often barely trained teacher can't get him up to speed. Especially in a small community with lots of illiterate people working and earning a living, it's hard to justify stigmatizing a kid that way and denying him an essential part of a normal American life, namely to go through school with his peers and have all the normal school experiences. So kids get passed along from grade to grade and then (why should 12th grade be different?) they get a diploma.

There was also, I think, a kind of naive view that intelligence was a pretty broad spectrum and a lot of kids were naturally going to end up illiterate. This was understandable if your point of view was restricted entirely to a small rural area where a small but significant number of adults were illiterate. It just seemed natural for some people not to take to reading, and that was just a normal part of life, not something a person should be punished for. (Most teachers had a much more progressive and modern understanding, and I really don't want to overstate the prevalence of this view, but a handful of teachers here and there is enough to produce a steady trickle of children falling through the cracks.)

Another factor was that there was not a uniform understanding of the purpose of high school and college credentials. Most people accepted the notion that a diploma should guarantee a minimal set of skills — functional literacy included. They valued the education and skills that their children were getting. Occasionally another feeling showed through, though, which was that educational credentials were a way of granting life success to some people and denying it to others, and requiring kids to succeed academically in school was just a way to perpetuate class and racial distinctions. This sentiment came to the fore when my state adopted a minimum skills test that kids needed to pass in order to get a diploma. This test was labeled "evil" by some people in my community because it pointlessly (in their eyes) denied their kids a chance for a normal life. They felt no anger or anxiety about the fact that their kids struggled with reading to the point where they couldn't pass a state basic skills test. They were only angry about their kids being denied an important life credential. And with Jared Kushner getting a Harvard diploma, you can't say it was entirely a made-up concern, even if they did adopt a counterproductive attitude towards their kids' education because of it.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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That number doesn't surprise me. I personally did not read a book in whole or in part in 2017 or 2016. It's something I don't need to do for my career and is not a past time of mine. My reading primarily comes from the internet. When I do read it's maybe a handful of books in a year.

That’s alarming and sad. No pleasure or drug is as powerful as a good work of fiction.

There's nothing sad about it. I know people that hadn't watched a movie or TV show in 2017. I know people that hadn't played a video game in 2017. It's just a matter of perspective and interest.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Everything that computers were used for before the internet?

Yeah, what was that, really? Typing QBASIC programs from paper into the computer? Using it as a fancy typewriter? Calculating ballistic trajectories? That's all I can remember.

I'd write an enormous list here, but it's probably easier and more educational for you to go to archive.org and look at the software ads in pretty much any issue of Byte magazine before 1990.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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> - She dressed the part; coming to work in a proper business suit and briefcase each day, not carrying a backpack like a sixth-grader. This is something I've been thinking more and more about lately. I used to be happy with the lax attitude most tech places have to attire but honestly I look around my office now and I wish we had a bit more of a dress standard. I was a tshirt and hoodie fiend but changed to slacks/s…

>but honestly what would you actually think of him I would hire him as my full time lawyer in a heartbeat, but that's just me.

If you'd hire someone based solely on their clothing (the only data point we have here), then you should review your decision making processes.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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I know very smart 60yo+ doctors with a lifetime of scientific achievements, who understands concepts way more complicated than the IP protocol or a browser, and who just refuse to learn it. I know a woman who until recently worked as a secretary to one of the presidents of a large regional bank. The first thing she did each morning was to print out the president's e-mails, and bring them to him on paper. He would the…

- She knows how to take fast, accurate dictation with steno. They don't teach that anywhere anymore. Of course they do, usually it's directed at court jobs, but anyone can take a steno course.

Court stenography is computerized now. And even decades ago was mechanized.

"Steno" with pencil and a steno pad. Not a stenography machine.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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> - She dressed the part; coming to work in a proper business suit and briefcase each day, not carrying a backpack like a sixth-grader. > - She didn't mind making coffee for the boss. It's a hate crime to even ask these days, but she did it happily. This seems like very strange editorializing to me. Do backpacks bother you so much? Who is complaining about making coffee if that's in the job description?

There are some groups of people that find such tasks offensive/beneath them. I don't understand why, I have just seen it in practice.

Perhaps my experience is unique, but in the places i've worked, everybody made each other tea all the time when their colleages were busy - and if one thing was certain, its that the boss never made their own tea. I don't think it was every considered a problem. That was just the order of things

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Right! Workplaces seem to advertise to, for example, computer people how they are relaxed and that you can come to work in jeans. I just want to get to wear a suit for once, for the enjoyment of myself and others!

We had Classy (Client* Team) Mondays at a previous job of mine. The whole larger group would come in dressed up in suits and business appropriate dresses, then have some nibbles and drinks afterwards. Pretty much a reverse of a casual Friday. * Client in the client-server computing sense.

Monday is a good day for that as well - gives you time to panic-prepare/iron on sunday evening :)

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Yeah, what was that, really? Typing QBASIC programs from paper into the computer? Using it as a fancy typewriter? Calculating ballistic trajectories? That's all I can remember.

I'd write an enormous list here, but it's probably easier and more educational for you to go to archive.org and look at the software ads in pretty much any issue of Byte magazine before 1990.

We can also ask what we use the computer for now, for which we don't need the Internet.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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My 70-something parents keep their cell phones at home, since they are so nice, so nothing happens to them. They carry pens and paper if they need to track something. My dad was a privacy-conscious bus driver in the 1980s, and has always had an unlisted number. These days, I know he's calling because caller ID shows "Private Number" when he calls.

They carry pens and paper if they need to track something. I do, too. And in the nerdiest possible way: https://logostore-globalid.us/ProductDetail.aspx?did=17363&p... And it's super cheap!

This looks like a great gift. Thanks for the idea!
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