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40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Most of the complaints from the 40% that are saying "never again" seem to have very little (if anything) to do with Groupon specifically, but rather the entire idea of advertising on a group deal/bargain site:

Poor tips, too many customers, angry customers (due to lack of product or wait time) are all potential side effects of a Groupon deal. The author of the study, Utpal Dholakia said it was almost a given:

“Because the Groupon customer base is made up of deal-seekers and bargain shoppers, they might not tip as well as an average customer or be willing to purchase beyond the deal.”

This led to the finding that restaurants had the hardest time with Groupon deals, where service business such as spas and salons fared better. The 32% that said they didn’t make a profit from the program reported that customers rarely bought more than the coupon deal and few returned to the business at a later date.

It shouldn't be shocking to retailers that offering deep discounts on a popular discount site is appealing mostly to people that only buy discounted goods, but it seems that it is surprising to some.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of hive-mindish stuff on HN but I wouldn't call the response to your original post 'overwhelmingly' anything - you got about 7 responses and those responses barely got a couple of upvotes between them. Statistically, nobody on HN read your post. I don't have it handy now but on the recent thread about the Portland coffeeshop owner, most posters seemed to feel it was the proprietor's mistake rather than…

You're right, I didn't get a ton of responses. Still, the responses I did get were overwhelmingly pro-Groupon. As someone seeking an answer to an important question, my takeaway was "Hm, HN thinks it's a good idea." Honestly, I'm still on the fence. I've said this elsewhere, but I'm in China and the Groupon clone market here is really saturated and interesting to watch. Basically, the Chinese clone market really rese…

Be very careful making conclusions such as "HN thinks it's a good idea". Even discounting groupthink, there's a more powerful (related) selection bias effect. People who respond positively to an opinion are more likely to comment. With a small sample size you're completely at the whim of these two effects.

That said, some of the specific advice might be useful. In particular, edw519's point that you should ensure that you collect customer information to continue the relationship is likely pretty wise.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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For a merchant to make effective use of Groupon, he must use it for one purpose: to acquire customers. Once someone comes to you via a third party, you must convert them into your own customer. This generally requires getting their personal info so that you can engage them directly in the future. Amazon merchants have been doing this for years. Pay Amazon their commission for the first sale, then move the name to the…

Groupon may be the one to bring them customers, and you're right, it's the merchant's responsibility to convert the incoming people to customers. However, Groupon should find a way to help with this. Because if they don't, merchants will continue to blame Groupon for the failures. If this continues to happen, Groupon will fail.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Anyone interested in working on a Groupon-like platform that let's merchants sell their own vouchers on their site (or be licensed to smaller chambers of commerce / newspapers)?

I've been messing with one (in Rails) and I can get approval to be a 3rd party payment aggregator (we already do this with one of our products).

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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For a merchant to make effective use of Groupon, he must use it for one purpose: to acquire customers. Once someone comes to you via a third party, you must convert them into your own customer. This generally requires getting their personal info so that you can engage them directly in the future. Amazon merchants have been doing this for years. Pay Amazon their commission for the first sale, then move the name to the…

One issue Groupon have is to review their cut to the lower, recurring complaint is the fact that they charge almost at least 50% of the sale, for most small businesses the discount + Groupon cut is just unsustainable.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Here's my quite speculative thinking on the whole mess, admittedly also without having followed it in much detail.

It's not worth your time chasing such elusive bargains, unless your time is not worth a lot. (Exception, the "excitement of the hunt". See Atlantic City, Las Vegas, etc.)

If your time is not worth a lot, you're not going to be buying much (no resources). I.e. you're a low value acquisition as a customer. (And if you're into the "excitement of the hunt", then you're not too interested in settling down with a particular merchant, are you?)

It eventually follows that success for Groupon consists of promoting itself, not its customers' (the businesses contracting campaigns) long term interests. (Once again, the site's users are the product, not the customers. And while they may be nice enough people, they are not a good product.)

Also, users (the merchant's customers) associate their success with Groupon, not the contracting merchant. One-off bargains don't build customer loyalty.

P.S. Having now read the brief, linked article, I speculate further than an overwhelmed venue may actually be counter-productive; shoppers stick it out to get their bargain, but tell themselves, "Man, what a pain. I'm never coming back here again."

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Wow, is it really that easy to get the media to go into full attack mode?

a) We're given nearly zero visibility on how candidates were selected. Even on the Rice website they only list media mentions of the study, I would love to see the original sample, polling selection data, etc http://media.rice.edu/media/Dateline_Rice.asp.

b) Response Bias alone could swing the results up or down wildly with such a small sample size.

c) A piece of the article, reported as fact, is that restaurants are unhappy vs. other business types which they certainly do not have data to support. This is terribly misleading - from the article they surveyed "150 businesses spanning 19 U.S. cities and 13 product categories" indicating ~10 business in each category.

For the WSJ & others to report a half-baked study as pure fact without raising any of the questions above is mind boggling.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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Groupon is pursuing a slash and burn strategy. They churn through merchants and spit them out. Their only goals are to increase revenues through

more cities more offers more revenue per offer higher share

Ultimately their interests are not aligned with those of their merchant partners. They refuse to cap the quantity on offers. They push for 50%+ discounts. They do nothing to discourage breakage. They use good businesses to attract their members but then they punish bad businesses with predatory pricing. So good businesses erode their brand.

Lots of problems here. Their model is far from broken (because there are so many businesses and the unit economics still work for their members) but someone will come along and fix this model for them.

Re: 40% of Groupon merchants say "never again"

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I think the Restaurant.com model works better for restaurants since a minimum purchase is typically required and the tip is automatically included based on the actual (non-coupon) price. Although, I do find it hard to get coupons for the more popular restaurants.

I have never heard of anyone using restaurant.com
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