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11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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This is a shockingly small number. For comparison, Pew reports that 24% of Americans have not read a single book, in whole or in part, in 2017. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/23/who-doesnt-r...

What’s the connection between reading books and the internet, aside from literacy? They’re such different things, I’m not clear on the connection between reading and the internet.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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I was a little disappointed not to read anything about conscientious objectors, having just read Wendell Berry's 1987 article "Why I am NOT going to buy a computer" [0]. Idealistic as he is, Berry's work appeals very strongly to me. But maybe there isn't anyone like that anymore.

[0] http://home.btconnect.com/tipiglen/berrynot.html

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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This is a shockingly small number. For comparison, Pew reports that 24% of Americans have not read a single book, in whole or in part, in 2017. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/23/who-doesnt-r...

whats the exchange rate with wikipedia articles?

I think that’s a fair point. If you exclude audiobooks, I don’t think I read one between the two previous summer solstices… but I’ve been writing and am now in the middle of editing what is currently a 130k word novel.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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This is a shockingly small number. For comparison, Pew reports that 24% of Americans have not read a single book, in whole or in part, in 2017. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/23/who-doesnt-r...

What’s the connection between reading books and the internet, aside from literacy? They’re such different things, I’m not clear on the connection between reading and the internet.

There's a shockingly high percentage of people age 60+ who get all their news from local/cable/satellite TV and never read books.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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I wonder will the internet have matured (jumped the shark with excess commercialism, JS, ads etc) to the extent TV has that people start cord cutting the net. Anecdotally the novelty is starting to wear thin with more than a few people I know who barely use anything beyond a chat service and a little shopping (probably at Amazon).

I'm tempted to unplug when I retire in a bit more than a decade. After working in tech for 20+ years, the idea is appealing. I doubt it will be very easy to function in an ever-connected society however.

What is tempting for you in that idea, if you don't mind?

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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i saw a Dad the other day on a playground with his kid. The Dad stood there staring at his phone the entire time while "playing" with his kid. Kinda sad to see this...

I see this complaint about parents a lot. I interact with my kids all day. We cook dinner together, we play playdoh, I read to them endlessly. And I'll bike them to the park, and then I sit there and play with my phone while they run around.

I do not find it fun to climb on kids playgrounds. I don't enjoy helping my son across the monkey bars, and he makes more progress at it when I don't.

Parenting can be mentally and physically exhausting, and it's really not fair or at all useful to judge a parent based on a glimpse of 5 minutes of their day.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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This is a shockingly small number. For comparison, Pew reports that 24% of Americans have not read a single book, in whole or in part, in 2017. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/23/who-doesnt-r...

Frankly I'm shocked it's only 24%.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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I don't know if people or specifically children were happier in the 80s/90s, but after spending a couple of weeks with my 10-year-old niece, I'm completely floored at how she tries to fill every waking minute passively consuming content such as YouTube. It wouldn't be so bad if children were using the Internet to do something constructive or educational. Of course, plenty of people from my generation spent their chil…

I just realized that growing up computers were basically only for research and creating content. Now that bandwidth is so cheap computers are only for consumption.

There's nothing inherently wrong with consumption, and it overlaps with doing research. You could be watching educational videos or deeply philosophical discussions on YouTube all day. I don't even mind pure consumption devices like my Kindle or my iPad because there's so much great content around.

Re: 11% of Americans don’t use the internet

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What is interesting is that it seems to have more to do with age than intellectual capacity. I know very smart 60yo+ doctors with a lifetime of scientific achievements, who understands concepts way more complicated than the IP protocol or a browser, and who just refuse to learn it. They might learn just how to use it but have no curiosity on how it works.

If you spent your life becoming very efficient in a particular environment, there's an incentive to keep this environment from changing, and not to expend any effort to learn a new environment. That learning capacity can be more efficiently spent elsewhere. (An IT illustration: there are still places running RHEL6 in production and not seeing an effort to migrate from it worth the while. They have more important thin…

A big component of mastery is wiring your brain to make the right decision without sweating over the details like you did when you were 25. Replacing problem solving with intuition. But what happens 20 years later when your intuition is no longer correct? Or when someone keeps asking why? You’re out of practice, And you’re trying to rewire a part of your brain that is no longer part of your internal dialog.

Teaching seems to be one way to avoid this. You have to keep defending your decisions. Switching specializations (or creating new ones) is another. The only other way I know is to seek outside help, and that level of humility is rare in experts.

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