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We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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We are entering a period where nothing not directly sampled by one's five senses can be trusted. Any electronically recorded evidence can easily be faked and often using off the shelf consumer-grade equipment and software.

Check out the "You Are No So Smart" podcast. The author goes through all of the ways that our brain can be tricked/is tricked in daily life. https://youarenotsosmart.com/

For example, in one episode [https://youarenotsosmart.com/2016/10/09/yanss-085-memory-ill...]: "Julia Shaw’s research demonstrates the fact that there is no reason to believe a memory is more accurate just because it is vivid or detailed. Actually, that’s a potentially dangerous belief.

Shaw used techniques similar to police interrogations, and over the course of three conversations she and her team were able to convince a group of college students that those students had committed a felony crime.

In this episode, you’ll hear her explain how easy it is to implant the kind of false memories that cause people just like you to believe they deserve to go to jail for crimes that never happened and what she suggests police departments should do to avoid such distortions of the truth."

TL/DR: What is reality? How can I even trust my senses?

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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FWIW, all audio/video communication technologies have been some what comically overestimated in their abilities. Two examples: - Henry Ford, believing that since “sight” was the universal language, movies (along with airplanes) would unite all people and places - Many people who believed television was so captivating when it first started to be introduced in the late 20s and early 30s, that it would replace nearly al…

I'm sorry, but your example falls a little flat when you look at how Fox News became the lynchpin of the shit-show the US is sinking in to right now.

People adapted to it, sure- but that's the problem.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I think the risk is inversely proportional to how famous the person is. A political figure or celebrity will likely have the resources and publicly available metadata to show a video is fake beyond a reasonable doubt. I’d be more concerned to see manufactured outrage having some random supporter saying/acting bad to someone on the other team, inciting the Twitter swarms to descend- by the time they dox the individual…

This has always been the case for libel and slander and other misinformation. High-profile people have more resources to fight bad information (devoted supporters, real life social networks, money, lawyers), and they're more likely to have detractors who've tested their capabilities already. The risk to them is great, but they have more tools to recover.

The ones least equipped to defend against misinformation are people who have suddenly broken into the public sphere but lack the support systems to help their case. Typical sorts of people in this situation are fresh politicians (often local), viral 15-minutes-of-fame celebrities, and internet randoms who are called out online.

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I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

So is not agreeing on facts/truth The Great Filter?

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

The Vox article is also making a nuanced point -- that memory is constructed subconsciously.

So the insidious thing? Creating 100 videos with only slight political position adjustments, and thereby (even if the videos are later revealed as fakes!) shifting a voter's "gut" impression of a candidate.

I'd be amazed if we don't start seeing audio & video cryptographic authentication in the next 10 years. The subject of an interview gives me a box containing their private key, and video is looped through it and signed as we record.

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A good way to fight this is to cryptographically sign videos/audio. Might be a bit computationally expensive compared to a text message, but for very high-profile people, having a copy of the video/audio and it's cryptographic signature will be absolute proof against fakes. We don't even need AI algorithms to learn how to detect fakes in this case, it just becomes a matter of comparing hashes.

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Everyone's talking about fake news but I'm just excited for the potential of democratizing movie making.

Indie filmmakers could/would pirate actors' likenesses, the same way electronic musicians currently make bootleg remixes.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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post #17

I find it amusing that we're worried about the potential of fake video/audio. Like everything would be just be fine if it weren't for that possibility. Deep fakes haven't really shown up in the wild as a significant threat and we already have large swaths of society that can't agree on the truth. Certainly fake media isn't going to help any, but folks, we're ALREADY fucked.

So is not agreeing on facts/truth The Great Filter?

It seems to me it's the mere fact that humanity's rise was borne on the back of its ruthless drive and selfish greed, and the same things that made us the best hunters also influence society in myriad ways.

In my eyes, greed, hierarchy, and limited compassion / an inability to share are the filter, and all society's diseases are the symptoms.

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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A good way to fight this is to cryptographically sign videos/audio. Might be a bit computationally expensive compared to a text message, but for very high-profile people, having a copy of the video/audio and it's cryptographic signature will be absolute proof against fakes. We don't even need AI algorithms to learn how to detect fakes in this case, it just becomes a matter of comparing hashes.

When there is a binary on the internets available from various mirrors with the primary authority on it distributing a SHA of it's contents then we can use that SHA to verify the contents of the binary...

The issue here is that there is no trusted authority on the video, the people distributing the video are the content originators so we can use a signature to verify the video wasn't corrupted in transmission but not that it wasn't edited before it was signed.

(this technique would work well if the concern was that videos from some primary source were being edited by a CDN entity helping to stream that video to viewers, which is entirely separate from the article)

Re: We’re underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video

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Everyone's talking about fake news but I'm just excited for the potential of democratizing movie making.

Indie filmmakers could/would pirate actors' likenesses, the same way electronic musicians currently make bootleg remixes.

It shouldn't be any harder to create unique digital-only actors https://news.developer.nvidia.com/generating-photorealistic-... than to pirate likenesses.
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