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Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

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Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#101
> I experience PTSD like symptoms from the constant barrage of negative thoughts the difficulty and stress of doing these problems are causing me.

A lot of the other posters have given some great advice from a technical perspective. I'd suggest taking some time to evaluate and improve your mental health as well. If you're putting yourself under so much pressure, that pressure alone will hold you back to a great extent.

First off, just relax. Take a little time off to reset your psyche, overcome your burnout, and rediscover your confidence/interest. It's amazing what taking a week off can do.

Take up some activities that have been shown to help with stress relief. Meditation. Exercise. Long walks. Digital disconnects. Healthy sleep cycle.

Read this book: The Inner Game of Tennis. It's a short read, but it will transform the way you approach high-pressure situations.

You mentioned PTSD - do you actually have PTSD, anxiety, or other similar mental health problems? If so, talk to a counselor or find some way to address those underlying issues.

You have a long career window ahead of you, so don't burn yourself out at this point. Job prospects are great for CS majors, and you seem like a guy who's very motivated and hard working. Spend a bit of time taking care of yourself, and I'm sure you'll be fine in the long haul.

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

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Programming isn't for everyone. Now, before I answer your question, let me echo what most other people are saying. Unless you were already a good programmer before you started, or you spent your university days holed up in your room coding for fun, the chances are that you will be absolutely crap when you graduate. You have the advantage that you already know it (most people, including my young self, are considerably…

>Project management, etc. It helps to spend a few years as a programmer before you move into this field. It doesn't matter if you are the worst coder on earth before you move. If you write on your CV, "I've been a programmer for the last 3 or 4 years, but I really want to get into project management", you may have to take measures to protect your physical safety as people rush to grab you (programmers, as a rule, do…

Do nonprofit work and implement a solution solving a real problem, this is what I am doing atm.

I hadnt done it before but its actually easier than i thought it would be, really its just alot communication and coordination on slack

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#103

You don't have a job yet, so you don't actually know what being a programmer is like. You're stressing out about what you think being a programmer is like, and worse, you're stressing out about what you think how a programmer is hired . Sit back, relax, go talk to someone who actually does the job, and re-evaluate once you're better contextualized.

Yeah like I said in another thread, CTCI is for more of a software __engineering__ role. There are lots of really easy software developement jobs where you ain’t doing algorithmic/dataatructures, just chilling with other code monkeys , humming Katy perry tunes and stackoverflow searching 4 hrs a day, the rest is breaks and hn reading

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#104

Let me show you my process, we have some similarities which may be useful to you. I hope it helps. I also recently graduated (master CS). But I am having strong second guesses whether CS is the right career for me. The only reason it would be the right career for me is because I love thinking in steps, which is what programming really is (procedural programming anyway). I also love debuggers (more steps!) and am full…

Thats a long list i personally just grab the lowest hanging fruit and run with it. I can sum up all my goals in one sentence or even one praragraph

For me its anything dealing with automation or building things to automate things. Doesnt matter what the job is bc if it doesnt fulfill me so long as hours are okay i can do side projects

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#106
I don't know if this will be helpful, but when I was in college, I failed a very basic CS math class because I was very anxious, comparing myself to others, feeling inadequate, feeling like I had wasted my college tuition (I took on a lot of debt, and my family isn't rich. The whole reason I got into this was for some semblance of financial security.) I thought I had ADD and that maybe if I got diagnosed I would be able to get some of those magic amphetamines that everyone else seemed to be using. Instead the psychiatrist I saw recommended I seek therapy for anxiety and depression. I was putting so much pressure on myself to succeed and take care of my family that it was impossible for me to succeed in school or even really live my life to the fullest without addressing my thought patterns and emotional state.

I don't know your situation, but there are plenty of respectable jobs you can get with a CS degree without being a master of CTCI. It won't be Amazon or Netflix but it's okay, most people don't work at a Facebook/Amazon/Apple/Netflix/Google.

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#107
post #101

> I experience PTSD like symptoms from the constant barrage of negative thoughts the difficulty and stress of doing these problems are causing me. A lot of the other posters have given some great advice from a technical perspective. I'd suggest taking some time to evaluate and improve your mental health as well. If you're putting yourself under so much pressure, that pressure alone will hold you back to a great exten…

This is really great advice. Being too stressed during an interview is not good for looking like a good job candidate. I’ll have to check out that book too, because I personally get a little too stressed public speaking, so thanks for the recommendation. That’s one of the great things about questions like these is they can be very relatable and you get such great advice from all walks of life.

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#108
There are a lot of public sector jobs that require any degree. My mother had a long and fulfilling career in the food stamp program, starting out helping people sign up and moving into training, supervision, and eventually became a county director. This is with a degree in anthropology. You’d be surprised how many jobs there are whose qualifications are like “be able to type and spell and generally help make things get done” which are impossible to staff because nobody who can do the work would do it for the pay on offer. These jobs tend to be lower stress anyway, better confined to 8-5 too.

People will joke that you should go into management. Maybe, but I’ve never heard of anyone going from a CS degree to managing programmers directly.

If I were talking to someone who was one year into a degree and hating it, I would really push the idea of getting a technical vocational training in something like HVAC, plumbing, or electrical. Those careers require a lot more from you physically, but not as much mentally and the pay is really good. Better than you’re likely to get as some kind of administrative person. But there are other trade offs.

I think a lot of people here are calling your bluff, because if you really didn’t like it, why are you reading HN? But you should know that you can have a good and fulfilling life not programming. But understand that you will probably make less money, often a lot less. You are the only person who can decide if it will be a better life for you to do something else with less money or to do something you dislike for more.

There are lots of people who cannot program or dislike it who nevertheless manage to eek a career out of it. I can’t in good conscience tell you to do that, because they cause the rest of us a lot of stress and what kind of life is that, where you spend every night sleeping fitfully trying to convince yourself that you fooled us yesterday (you didn’t) and just need to fake it a little longer. So don’t. Find something that you enjoy and do that instead.

You 100% have time to do something else. Just stop and do something else. Don’t torture yourself. You are what, 23? Go get some more loans and get a degree or certificate in something you want to do, and live your life for yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Got a CS degree, but I’m unable to be programmer. What can I do?

#110

Let me show you my process, we have some similarities which may be useful to you. I hope it helps. I also recently graduated (master CS). But I am having strong second guesses whether CS is the right career for me. The only reason it would be the right career for me is because I love thinking in steps, which is what programming really is (procedural programming anyway). I also love debuggers (more steps!) and am full…

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