Just a note that if you want to avoid Intel's disastrous Management Engine, there are companies you can support that disable it. Purism[0] sell nice MBP-style, Debian-based laptops with modern Intel processors with the NSA's 'High Assurance Platform' bit set, and as much of the ME code removed as possible. It still runs briefly at boot, but this is the most-disabled you can currently get on any i3/i5/i7 processor[1].…
Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
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Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't have to have been a full-blown plan from years ago in order to be a viable strategy. Intel can choose planned obsolescence going forward today for selected products by not developing or releasing security patches. The extent to which this particular strategic business option was discussed during the design phase of the ME is hard to know from the outside. Surely someone within Intel pointed out that the ME…
There are many ways to to planned obsolescence. I'm sure there is a way to just manufacture the chips such that they degrade in a few years. Planned obsolescence through major security bugs doesn't sound very smart to me. I don't get a vibe that Intel is enjoying this publicity or the presumed replace of those chips. My understanding is that AMD is quite competitive today in the data center.
Wasn't the C2xxx series also an expensive server SOC. Man these guys are fumbling.
[0]https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/cisco_intel_decline...
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not in accordance with my experience. The life of an Intel platform in a datacenter is more like 7-10 years.
What insurance comapny insures that? What company offers SLAs like that? I want in on that deal!
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
#244How'sa about a desolder-the-chip mitigation? Or a hammer-and-sharp-punch mitigation?
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
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Also worth noting that they're not patching it for 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation Core CPUs. I'm sure there's plenty of Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge CPUs in the wild, and it's not like you have an option to discontinue use of the Intel ME :(
No real advancement after Sandy Bridge was made. Only incremental 10% with each gen. That means current gen is only 2x as fast when comparing the same lines (i7 to i7). If you can't make new things better, just gimp the old ones, like Spectre/Meltdown.
Literally 2x.
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
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In order to support reliable mass-remote-update, what is needed is an ME which is disabled by default but can be enabled via a non-reversible opt-in, such as breaking off a pin. Then a supplier could configure bulk orders to enable the ME and it would be left up to the customer to choose the security-for-convenience tradeoff.
Why break off? Normal physical switches on motherboards work just as well.
Ordinary users, even if they somehow experienced the temptation to disable remote updates, wouldn't have the expertise to act on it. And any malicious actor with physical access to the machine would have other more straightforward attack vectors (like USB vulns).
So I think you're right -- and Intel has even less justification for hard-wiring the ME on by default.
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
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Wow. The Web really has won. We have HTTP parsing failures in our CPUs .
A lot of microcontrollers have hardware http, DNS, DHCP, etc.
You could have done it with SNMP, but one of the developers got a real simple HTTP server into a smaller runtime, and it simplified the job for writing the front end.
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
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So, what's AMD doing these days? I'm hesitant to switch to AMD since Intel internal graphics play nicely with Linux. However that kind of doesn't matter if my machine isn't mine.
I have recently built a machine with Ryzen 2700X & geforce gtx 1050ti (GPU is required as Ryzen doesn't have an internal one but there are plenty of cheaper ones like mine), running Ubuntu and it's just fantastic. Docker builds, compilation takes seconds as compared to my macbook which has i7. Plus there's no overheating issues when I am running Kubernetes all the time and I can still code. TL;DR Ryzen 2700X is great…
System runs cooler, quieter and faster. Gentoo absolutely flies on it as well
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I understand it, ME is used to remotely control the processor like in a datacenter. If a datacenter is buying hundreds of thousands of these it makes sense to have it on by default so their people don't have to go in and turn anything on. As much as I recognize it as a vulnerability (to the extreme), it doesn't make sense to have it off by default. They should certainly support a way to _permanently_ disable it. I…
IIRC AMD allows their PSP to be disabled via the BIOS.
Re: Intel patches new ME vulnerabilities
#250This talk helped me: "Replace Your Exploit-Ridden Firmware with Linux"