When someone cites the Dunning-Kruger Effect I like to counter with the Dunning-Kruger Effect Effect.[1] This also illustrates my own pet-peeve of starting references with index [0]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12918362
Hacker News comments I'm tired of seeing (2013)
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#12Re: Hacker News comments I'm tired of seeing (2013)
#13some snippet of text from parent comment
I disagree because x, y, z.
another snippet
This is wrong because a, b, c.
(End example)
Doing so obliterates context from a position, especially long form comments (which is the main reason I’m here) in two main ways. First, the technique rarely reproduces the parent in its entirety, picking out black and white statements that are easier to argue against from a sea of nuance. Second, it cuts up the narrative in such a way that downplays the rationale of a position by either leaving out reasoning, or placing arguments between the reasoning and the conclusion.
Sure, the readers can go back and reread the parent. But when the structure of an argument depends on those snippets (and it almost always does) it becomes very difficult to grok.
Generally I just see it as a big warning sign that the quoter is more interested in winning than learning or getting to the truth of the matter and thus is best ignored.
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#15The overattribution of notable effects and fallacies gets a bit tiring, though. As the article mentions, we love to bring up things like the Dunning-Kruger effect, the Peter Principle, the confirmation bias, etc. Sometimes I don't think people actually know what they're talking about when they say that someone has "confirmation bias"; it's just become a 115 IQ way of saying that the other person is stupid.
When it comes to comments, I see downvote abuse happen a little more frequently than I'd hope. I'm not just complaining about my own comments, but just about every day I see a comment that got downvoted for saying nothing objectively wrong or controversial. It's only a few people abusing the system, really, but it'd still be nice if I noticed such things less often.
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#17I’d add arguing by using inline quotes. Example: some snippet of text from parent comment I disagree because x, y, z. another snippet This is wrong because a, b, c. (End example) Doing so obliterates context from a position, especially long form comments (which is the main reason I’m here) in two main ways. First, the technique rarely reproduces the parent in its entirety, picking out black and white statements that…
If it's a long comment it's also likely some commenters are only able to address parts of it - again an inline quote clarifies.
I've never had cause to see it as a warning sign or more likely to be someone scoring points, that's going to happen sometimes with or without inline snippets.
Re: Hacker News comments I'm tired of seeing (2013)
#18I feel most of those are trying to bring an important point though. "If you are not..." => "What is the monetization strategy?". "Early optimization..." => "Beware, this probably doesn't make sense in your small co", etc.
Re: Hacker News comments I'm tired of seeing (2013)
#19When someone cites the Dunning-Kruger Effect I like to counter with the Dunning-Kruger Effect Effect.[1] This also illustrates my own pet-peeve of starting references with index [0]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12918362
as a reformed C programmer, I get a little kick out of the elevators in Europe starting on floor 0. Starting with index [0] is a little thing. Can we have little things? I'm not trying to antagonize anyone, it isn't a finger in anyone's eye, I'm not trying to make your day worse - it just a little thing that makes my life very slightly nicer for a very short period of time.
Re: Hacker News comments I'm tired of seeing (2013)
#20When someone cites the Dunning-Kruger Effect I like to counter with the Dunning-Kruger Effect Effect.[1] This also illustrates my own pet-peeve of starting references with index [0]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12918362
As I recall, either Dunning or Kruger also pointed out a long time ago that the effect they were observing shouldn't be seen so much as an indictment of stupid people, but as a warning to anyone who thought they were smart.