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Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by timmytokyo »

rgbrenner wrote: post #6

last April, Trump’s then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo, now his Secretary of State, delivered a deranged, rambling, highly threatening broadside against WikiLeaks. I watched the video linked and I wouldn't describe it as "deranged" or "rambling". Just because the author disagrees with Pompeo does not make him deranged. When reporters write blatantly political things like this, it really makes me question the fairness of t…

As support for his claim that Assange is "essentially imprisoned for eight years," Greenwald's opinion piece (I wouldn't call it a news article) also links to a 2011 Telegraph article about Assange's then-current stay in an opulent manor while fighting extradition to Sweden to face sex charges.

Greenwald seems to have a thing for peppering his writings with links to sources that fail to support his claims. I guess he thinks spurious links make his screeds seem more credible.

Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by mark212 »

pvg wrote: post #7
rgbrenner wrote: post #6

last April, Trump’s then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo, now his Secretary of State, delivered a deranged, rambling, highly threatening broadside against WikiLeaks. I watched the video linked and I wouldn't describe it as "deranged" or "rambling". Just because the author disagrees with Pompeo does not make him deranged. When reporters write blatantly political things like this, it really makes me question the fairness of t…

He's not a 'reporter'.

Glenn Greenwald isn’t a reporter? I’m sure that’s news to him

Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by uiri »

tptacek wrote: post #3

This is less a news story than a coat rack Greenwald uses to hang a bunch of loosely-related political arguments he wants to make: * That Ecuador under Moreno is subservient to western powers, this according in part to Correa, who ran the previous Ecuadorian administration, which was widely considered one of the most corrupt in the western hemisphere (I have no idea if Moreno's was as well). OK? None of us are equipp…

A UK judge ruled last February[0] that the arrest warrant for Assange will remain active on grounds of his contempt of the court despite Sweden dropping the case. I don't think it is unreasonable to assert that Assange will wind up doing time in a UK prison for his contempt of their courts.

[0] https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/julian-assange-ruling/

Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by panarky »

timmytokyo wrote: post #4

Julian Assange is not "effectively imprisoned". He can leave the Ecuadorian embassy any time he chooses. Ecuador is under no obligation to provide him domicile.

If you spend 8 years confined to a small space, unable to travel freely due to a well-grounded fear of physical harm, you're most definitely "effectively imprisoned".

Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by mark212 »

dmix wrote: post #13
timmytokyo wrote: post #4

Julian Assange is not "effectively imprisoned". He can leave the Ecuadorian embassy any time he chooses. Ecuador is under no obligation to provide him domicile.

How about nominally imprisoned absent fair treatment upon extradition?

How will we know he won’t get fair treatment upon release until he’s actually released?

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Post by oculusthrift »

tptacek wrote: post #3

This is less a news story than a coat rack Greenwald uses to hang a bunch of loosely-related political arguments he wants to make: * That Ecuador under Moreno is subservient to western powers, this according in part to Correa, who ran the previous Ecuadorian administration, which was widely considered one of the most corrupt in the western hemisphere (I have no idea if Moreno's was as well). OK? None of us are equipp…

Jesus christ... Yeah i’m sure he’s been in the embassy all this time because he definitely isn’t going to get arrested the second he leaves.

And as a south american journalist who focuses a lot on assange i definitely do think greenwald knows more about the ecuadorean government than you. And you’ve already admitted you aren’t equipped to litigate it.

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Post by ibejoeb »

>highly unlikely that Moreno...will obtain a guarantee that the U.K. not extradite Assange to the U.S.

I'm not remotely convinced that Moreno had any capability to obtain such an assurance. By what mechanism can a foreign agent nullify terms of a treaty between two unrelated states, even if the subject were an ecuadorian national?

Re: Ecuador will hand over Julian Assange to the UK

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Post by oculusthrift »

timmytokyo wrote: post #4

Julian Assange is not "effectively imprisoned". He can leave the Ecuadorian embassy any time he chooses. Ecuador is under no obligation to provide him domicile.

Ok how about i tell you that if you leave your house you’ll be killed instantly. Are you free to leave whenever? Under your logic yes.
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