Why is the Aero 15x so much faster? It seems to be an i7 with a slower SSD.
The specs show it available up to gtx1070 maxq which sounds pretty powerful for 15".
Apple fans returning new MacBook Pros with Core i9
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@394549, I don't doubt that they can do it, as I was also saying a couple of comments above this one. But at what price? The difference is that now they have big QA issues before having to maintain the 2 branches. Their software (and possibly the software team) a decade and a half ago when they were moving to Intel was in a lot better shape. Unless I'm looking at this through nostalgia goggles. :)
They were also moving to a well established architecture from their own bespoke one and now they’re going the other way ...
ARM is a well established ISA. The customization Apple might bring to the CPU architecture will make no difference to a user as long as the compatibility is there.
The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem. You have probably tens of thousands of apps for the mobile space but even if Apple magically adapted them for a non-touchscreen, keyboard and touchpad world the vast majority still won't cater to the regular or professional user wanting to buy a laptop, not a glorified tablet. And that's a hard sell. Why am I buying a MacBook if all I get is an iPad with a keyboard? And don't get me wrong, having used both iPads and CoreM ultraportables (Apple or otherwise) the iPad offered the better experience more often than not. But if I compare it to the regular CPU it just can't compete. The productivity with mobile apps is not where it should be to convince a normal buyer to switch, let alone a more demanding user.
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They were also moving to a well established architecture from their own bespoke one and now they’re going the other way ...
ARM is a well established ISA. The customization Apple might bring to the CPU architecture will make no difference to a user as long as the compatibility is there. The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem. You have probably tens of thousands of apps for the mobile space but even if Apple magically adapted them for a non-touchscreen, keyb…
> The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem
Yes. Not established. That’s what I said.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
ARM is a well established ISA. The customization Apple might bring to the CPU architecture will make no difference to a user as long as the compatibility is there. The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem. You have probably tens of thousands of apps for the mobile space but even if Apple magically adapted them for a non-touchscreen, keyb…
> The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem Yes. Not established. That’s what I said.
"Not established" and "not established in a specific segment" are two vastly different things. So no, most definitely I didn't say what you said, or what you think I said. ;)
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Yeah, your 8 buck earpods in no way sound better, quit with the hyperbole. Maybe they sound better to you. Yep, they may not have been the first, but once again, they come in and have a bunch of refinements that just make them stand out. I've had bluetooth headphones before, and from pairing to loss of sync when moving more than a couple of metres away, AirPods beat them hands down.
They sound better to me and my three bandmate, one being a sound engineer. Admittedly those are great for their price (good ol' Panasonic Ergofit), but pick any decent 20 euros pods and they'll crush the earplugs. The sound quality is abysmal for >150 euros pods. Any "refinement" is worthless if the base feature of the object, the sound, is less than acceptable for the price. And it is unacceptable to leak so much so…
Ah, they're those ones with the funny silicone tips on them?
All of those sound awful to me because they just don't suit my ear shape.
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Yes, they are literally piping the AAC-encoded bitstream as it appears in the iTunes files with no manipulation. Why would they decode it only to re-encode it?
> Why would they decode it only to re-encode it? Because it's more generic and easier to implement. I would imagine to support streaming AAC from the file to the AirPods, they'd need to create a special channel for it in the OS's sound system. Even with that, I don't think it'd work in all cases. Sometimes you have to manipulate the audio. What happens when you need to mix in audio from an app, like an alert sound? T…
That's exactly what they do - when a call comes in it switches to bluetooth voice codec and it all gets mixed. You notice the reduction in quality, but sync remains rock solid.
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#67Surely, Apple saw these issues in their internal tests. I don't understand how Apple (or any other company that does something similar to this) decides to release the product knowing all of the issues beforehand.
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#68Why is the Aero 15x so much faster? It seems to be an i7 with a slower SSD.
Aero 15x runs Windows, and the Windows version of the software is much better optimised. The software load is quite different, which is misleading.
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> The problem is that as established as ARM is they really don't have a meaningful presence in the desktop/laptop ecosystem Yes. Not established. That’s what I said.
"Not established" and "not established in a specific segment" are two vastly different things. So no, most definitely I didn't say what you said, or what you think I said. ;)
Aye, but you said what I meant.
Look at another way - Apple moved from PowerPC to Intel. It's not that Motorola ISA weren't well established but they simply weren't as well established and didn't have access to the same mindshare in terms of high performance hardware and software engineering.
So in this sense it's a step back the other way - except for perhaps Intel seem to be stuck in the mire these days.