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Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by bitmapbrother »

pjmlp wrote: post #190
bitmapbrother wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Global tablet market share held by tablet vendors from 2nd quarter 2011 to 1st quarter 2018. Microsoft is no where to be found. https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held...

That marketshare is by brand, not OS. From what I see here there are lots of Windows tablets to be had, from various vendors. http://www.mediamarkt.de/de/category/_2in1-convertibles-5420... https://www.saturn.de/de/category/_2-in-1-convertibles-46890... Which are the ones actually on display when I go to those shops.

StatCounter also indicates that Windows tablets have nearly no marketshare.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by eganist »

candiodari wrote: post #196
eganist wrote: post #176

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That's a wholly different context. In that context, you're not selling usage data, you're selling conscious opinions/preferences. More than anything, all that does is confirm the assumptions Google is already making about your tastes based on your usage. This is about valuing the usage data itself that's passively collected on the Android platform.

Is it ? Google provides free functionality, like a (pretty nice) mail client in the cloud in trade for mail usage data. Those things go, outside of Google, for 2$/month minimum, and more often 10$ per month ... Similar things go for Google's index of the web, phone operating system, ...

The real indicator of how outsized the value is compared to the perception of such is the revenue inflow.

There's no reason for the suppliers of raw materials here not to raise their prices (from zero). If anyone wants to provide it for less, so be it, but given that Google wants insight into everyone marketable, there's no reason for people not to raise their own prices for the data they supply.

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by pjmlp »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #201
pjmlp wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That marketshare is by brand, not OS. From what I see here there are lots of Windows tablets to be had, from various vendors. http://www.mediamarkt.de/de/category/_2in1-convertibles-5420... https://www.saturn.de/de/category/_2-in-1-convertibles-46890... Which are the ones actually on display when I go to those shops.

StatCounter also indicates that Windows tablets have nearly no marketshare. http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

Faire enough, it just looks quite different when going into local consumer shops and what is available to buy on premises.

So I wonder where they are being bought from, is everyone getting them from Amazon?!

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Post by epicide »

sharcerer wrote: post #192
evv wrote: post #76

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It is much better, considering there are companies that do actually sell our data. "rent us out to the highest bidder" is the perfect description of Google and FB's business model. It's hard to imagine how either company could change course at this point, even if they wanted to.

Exactly, people lovw to give a negative spin to 'rent','bid'. I see it as an exchange of value. Data, money both serve same purpose: we give them vakue,they give back. My data helps them improve their systems, make recommendation engine etc. and they give me services in return. Making sense of vast troves of data is their main competency or of any internet service. Would YouTube be relevant without recommendations? J…

I think part of the issue is inequity. I don't have the requisite skills to even begin to do the calculations, but I expect that Google is getting way more (monetary) value out of me than I am getting out of their recommendations. Especially when their recommendations have often been for videos that they know I've already recently watched.

Even if there is nothing wrong with the business model, the "prices" can still be unfair. A lot of the values of these things are inherently difficult, if not impossible, to calculate (at least seemingly).

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by user5994461 »

nradov wrote: post #180
user5994461 wrote: post #140

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It depends on the country. Some places you have to pay per SMS, some places it's free. SMS cannot be sent across borders, a big problem when traveling or living abroad. WhatsApp is free SMS, from and to anywhere. It's an attractive offer for most of the world.

SMS can be sent across borders in most of the world.

And you'll be charged as much as $1 per SMS for doing that.

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by bitmapbrother »

pjmlp wrote: post #203
bitmapbrother wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

StatCounter also indicates that Windows tablets have nearly no marketshare. http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/tablet/worldwide

Faire enough, it just looks quite different when going into local consumer shops and what is available to buy on premises. So I wonder where they are being bought from, is everyone getting them from Amazon?!

Microsoft and their partners do sell millions of tablets per year, it's just that their unit sales pale in comparison to Android and iOS tablets. I'm also not even sure if Microsoft calls their Surface line tablets anymore. Their product page now calls them laptops which is odd considering you sort of need the optional keyboard to be a laptop.

>So I wonder where they are being bought from, is everyone getting them from Amazon?!

Amazon accounts for good percentage of tablets sold. I bought an Amazon Fire 8 HD for $49 during Prime Day. At that price it's an instant purchase.

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by karmakaze »

karmakaze wrote: post #18
wpdev_63 wrote: post #9

I am really surprised Microsoft isn't doing something like this. They are losing the OS war.

If Fushia/Flutter gets adopted, it would be a better outcome than MS botched effort with universal desktop/mobile apps. The fragmented tooling and support was like it was made by sales/marketing types rather than engineers.

Has anyone here had a good experience making a single UWP app for both mobile and desktop?

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by c0d3man »

No matter what, We must need a new OS, encompassing big screen devices as well as small IOT devices. No more JAVA and JVM. I had loved it for 15 years but now I hate it most; I am sick and tired of developing Android because of the huge fragmentation and poor compatibility of different screen sizes. Now is a little bit better than before in terms of that but the fundamental issue cannot be fixed from the root core unless the kernel and android jvm are replaced. Some Googler said "Android system was wrong from the beginning". I would love to see Fuchsia in real as soon as possible. I've recently learnt Flutter, which is going to become the primary User interface SDK/framework of Fuchsia. I recommend you guys to learn Dart and Flutter if you are a UI developer. Be leaders of them. In a nutshell, Fu[lutter/chsia] is the future for mobile/embedded developers over the next 30 years in this AI/IoT era.

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by pjjw »

puzzle wrote: post #166
nostrademons wrote: post #127

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> Have you worked for a FAANG? I was at Google for 5.5 years and was the beneficiary of an engineer-retention project for a year of that. I'm now working on a startup. Think of it from the company's perspective: they have an engineer who has already been "paid off" in the sense of having generated more revenue for the company than they are likely to get in salary during a lifetime, and is likely independently wealthy…

There's more: Cos and the open source Vanadium, John Hanke and Ingress/FieldTrip, Niniane and Lively, Hartmut and the quantum lab, Craig N-M and google.org, etc. But you left out the largest retention side project: Jeff Dean and Brain.

craig got a whole new york office. he did well.

Re: Project Fuchsia: Google Is Quietly Working on a Successor to Android

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Post by jacksmith21006 »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #128
mattkevan wrote: post #69

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Right. They don’t sell our data, they rent us out to the highest bidder. Much better.

Well, at least they don't let governments have free unfettered access to their users data.

Like

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud ...

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