Riving(rive) means tearing or splitting in Norwegian and English. The word comes from Old Norse and is commonly used in Norwegian, but I didn't know it also was an english word. To me "I couldn't open it, so I had to rive it." sounds like Petter Solberg(known to mix norwegian and english) trying to speak english. "It's not the fart that kills, it's the smell" (fart meaning speed in norwegian, and smell meaning crash)
so would "rivendell" mean to "split a forest" or something along those lines?
Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
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Where do you guys come from? How do you know all this stuff? It's so interesting and I'm often surprised at the diversity of knowledge, experience and backgrounds on HN. For even the most esoteric of subjects folks here will have interesting input. I love to try and experiment, and like people who are passionate about things. Just wanted to get it off my chest. I love this place and it makes me appreciate life and it…
If you're at all into woodworking it's just a matter of time before an evening in the YouTube rabbit hole leads you to riving, or Alaskan chainsaw mills, or Wood Mizer demo videos, or silent Japanese guys that are wickedly good at joinery.
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#53Riving(rive) means tearing or splitting in Norwegian and English. The word comes from Old Norse and is commonly used in Norwegian, but I didn't know it also was an english word. To me "I couldn't open it, so I had to rive it." sounds like Petter Solberg(known to mix norwegian and english) trying to speak english. "It's not the fart that kills, it's the smell" (fart meaning speed in norwegian, and smell meaning crash)
so would "rivendell" mean to "split a forest" or something along those lines?
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#54This is an interesting article, but riving is not specifically Viking. It was the primary method of producing workable wood blanks from tree trunks in every civilization that used wood blanks. Which is to say, it was used all over Europe and Asia (at least), for at least the last 2000-plus years. I'm not as familiar with the woodworking traditions of Africa or pre-European-contact North or South America, so I don't k…
Riving is still used for producing timber that needs to have perfectly straight grain with minimal runout, most notably the tops of acoustic guitars. The difference in stiffness between a rived and sawn top can be drastic, with commensurate benefits in tone. http://www.lutherie.net/frankford.runout.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EpVIEyYiSs
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
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I think he meant sadistic purely in the context of woodworking, not in the context of military.
I'm not even sure it's about battle, I think it's just being aware of where misplaced a axe blow will end up (missing your target when chopping wood and hitting yourself in the shin or foot is a common injury).
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where do you guys come from? How do you know all this stuff? It's so interesting and I'm often surprised at the diversity of knowledge, experience and backgrounds on HN. For even the most esoteric of subjects folks here will have interesting input. I love to try and experiment, and like people who are passionate about things. Just wanted to get it off my chest. I love this place and it makes me appreciate life and it…
If you're at all into woodworking it's just a matter of time before an evening in the YouTube rabbit hole leads you to riving, or Alaskan chainsaw mills, or Wood Mizer demo videos, or silent Japanese guys that are wickedly good at joinery.
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're at all into woodworking it's just a matter of time before an evening in the YouTube rabbit hole leads you to riving, or Alaskan chainsaw mills, or Wood Mizer demo videos, or silent Japanese guys that are wickedly good at joinery.
Links??!?! :)
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not OP but if (s)he's / they're my age or older (young 30's) we grew up in a time where, depending on where you lived and how much money your family had growing up, knowing these non-technical (in a computer / digital sense) skills was more of the norm. Think "handyman" skills. I grew up in a household where my father worked in the cement industry. He made nearly all of our furniture, made a full deck in the back…
Excellent post! I'm similar age and had a similar sounding childhood, but maybe a bit less to do with concrete, and more to do with the woods and the peripheral mechanical stuff that seems to go alongside. Some of my fondest memories are around fall arriving; the sap going down in the trees meant it was time for sawing - mainly for heating, and a bit for cooking. Nicer pieces of hardwood would go to dry for a year or…
I know EXACTLY what you mean about people looking at you and thinking: "This nerdy programmer guy actually thinks he can be the handyman for the apartment he rented from me?!" -Multiple landlords that I saved endless amounts of $ being their live-in handy man.
I've installed ceiling fans, I've installed central air and ducting, I've taken care of all the yard work, shoveling, plowing, and ice breaking. Anything that didn't require a certified professional was in my wheelhouse and where a landlord came to fully understand and trust my skills and judgement we came to a great middle ground where my work would help offset things like bills or rent when there were no more bills to cover the costs of.
>So, when I have the opportunity to get gifts for friends' kids, I usually look for things like soldering irons or good screwdrivers.
THAT IS GREAT ADVICE! I've given relatives and friends books on coding (when they showed interest in my job / career) but I never thought of that. I usually tend to try and give that advice / teach them myself, first person -- but not everyone is always ready right then to be taught. People want to operate on their own and at a pace of their own, especially if they are feeling any sort of anxiety about trying something new or having to "perform" tasks that are out of their wheel house. The thing is, with a little practice, the handy man stuff isn't all that tough!
Just watching someone like Adam Savage (Mythbusters) on his Youtube channel and how much fun he has is all the indication that I need that mostly anyone could pick up basic handy man skills. The only difference between him is that he has the most extensive and professional set of tools and machines possible, but if you pay attention to the majority of his builds, a lot of the things he does only require basic tools for the majority of the projects. He gets a lot done with basic tools and tends to only use more rare and specific / heavy duty tools because he can.
I feel that once you get the hang of handy man work and construction stuff and the like, as you said about your firewood shed. You found the dimensions of your finished project and through experience and a bit of mental planning were probably able to come up with a simple diagram if not an entire floor plan / build plan that contained dimensions, materials, and instructions for cobbling it all together.
Once you've done things like that a few times it opens up the possibilities endlessly and so long as you measure twice and cut once you can seriously continue onward and build anything you like.
>When something breaks, I like to think about how much worse it could get if I were to fail at fixing it - usually there's minimal real risk. If you make it worse, you're not likely to repeat the same mistake; you've learned something, and there will always be another broken thing to apply that knowledge to.
AH! I'm so glad I made that post now. You are so right. The big takeaway I get from this last part from you is that -- especially for us computer-types who love to figure out how things work, reverse engineer stuff, take stuff apart and tinker with them -- even if you fail after taking something apart and not being able to fix it you wind up learning lots about the thing / things in general.
I've never walked away from a failure of a hobby project without some sort of epiphany or clue about something that came to help me out in the future. Experimenting with hobby work / handy man work and getting the chance to build things yourself and even fail if you don't succeed still provides enjoyment and education. Those are the types of things I would love to pass on to as many as I can. Those are the things I wish schools were teaching. And those are the things that, these days, I wish more people understood and did on their own free time.
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not OP but if (s)he's / they're my age or older (young 30's) we grew up in a time where, depending on where you lived and how much money your family had growing up, knowing these non-technical (in a computer / digital sense) skills was more of the norm. Think "handyman" skills. I grew up in a household where my father worked in the cement industry. He made nearly all of our furniture, made a full deck in the back…
> The VERY BEST wood working / handy man show NO CONTEST TOH was the best handyman show for sure. But he woodworking content was negligible. The Woodright Shop is the best woodworking show.
Re: Riving, a Viking-age woodworking technique
#60This is an interesting article, but riving is not specifically Viking. It was the primary method of producing workable wood blanks from tree trunks in every civilization that used wood blanks. Which is to say, it was used all over Europe and Asia (at least), for at least the last 2000-plus years. I'm not as familiar with the woodworking traditions of Africa or pre-European-contact North or South America, so I don't k…