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How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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I grew up in Hong Kong, one of the densest place in the world. Most of my childhood, getting to places was either walking or taking a bus (with family). I moved to the US / SF Bay Area in my teens and while here, experienced living in both the suburbs and the city, as well as my college town ("deep suburbs", if you will). My feeling is that living in the suburb (either where I currently live in a suburb in the bay area, or my college town) is way more pleasant than the city (either HK or SF). I felt this way before I had kids, and I feel this way even more now after having a baby.

Yes, you have to drive everywhere. It seems that for some people, "having to drive everywhere" is automatically a negative point, by definition. IMO, it's only negative when you do that in San Francisco, where traffic is everywhere, and you can't park anywhere or have to pay exorbitant parking fees.

Take some anecdotes of my current life now. People in SF and cities love to bring up the point of being able to walk to coffee shops, restaurants, bars, parks, and not having to find parking (which is an SF problem). I don't drink, so bars and DUI is not a thing for me. I reach my favorite coffee shop in 10 minutes of local driving (no traffic any time of the day, any day of the week), and there's always ample parking, and there's never a line. Same for all the restaurants I frequent in the east bay (Fremont/Newark/Union City area). Places in the city always have a line; whereas the longest line I've had at my coffee shop was 2 people in front of me. There's always seating available there, unlike most coffee shops in SF. I spend $3 on my favorite coffee there, not $6. This same example works similarly for every other aspect of life really, whether it's restaurants, parks, even urgent care/ER at the hospitals. Drive to get there in 10-15 minutes, there's always parking, no line at the place, and it's cheaper. Same applies for friends, even those who live a city or two away (Milpitas, San Leandro, Castro Valley) -- 15-30 minutes to get there, no traffic.

I live in an older part of town, where houses are generally 50+ years old, so you can imagine the kind of neighborhood. I know each one of my neighbors by names. It's not like I grew up here too; I've only lived here for 5 years since I bought the house.

Pulling from my own experience, I really don't see how the car keeps us apart, and how living in the city is better. Everything is more expensive, there's more wait time, more transportation time, and people are ruder in general because everyone is understandably frustrated with everything, whether it's patience, gentrification issues, homelessness, etc. In the suburb crawl, everything is the opposite of all of above. People are nicer to each other.

I commute to the city for work (because the jobs are mostly in the city), and it's the least favorite part of my life.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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It'd be nice to not have to drive, but people hate people not behind the wheel of a car around here. Taking a bike on the road is taking your life in your own hands, people go out of their way to injure or kill cyclists around here, and the cops don't care. The sidewalks are also deliberately designed to be unpleasant, if they're present at all.

I don't hate those people per se (and I'm not stupid enough to attempt to harm them).

What I hate is that they are usually moving far more slowly than what I and the people behind me would prefer, and that they do so even when passing them by is not possible.

I'm not paid per-hour to commute, and I'm sure as hell not paid to sit behind some shit-for-brains who thinks it's a great idea to block an entire direction of a two-lane road with his slow-ass single-speed bicycle, whilst there is a solid wall of oncoming traffic.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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You just need to buy a $1M house in Wallingford or Ballard, it's as easy as that.

I assume you are being sarcastic because my parents raised me in a $1M massive single family home in midwest suburbia which was also in one of the top 100 public high school in the country. However, I cannot find a single public basketball court in either neighborhood you mentioned, and I can see maybe one park per neighborhood that can each support 1 open space sports game which means my friends and I would have lik…

Yes, I was being sarcastic. I don't like the homeless problem here either, but it gets slightly better once you move out of SLU to a residential area with $1M houses. We still get things like car break ins though, my neighbor had one just this Tuesday. I'm also thinking about moving some quieter nicer place, but knowing myself, I probably won't.

There's Gilman Playground in Ballard with baseball park. It also has tennis courts. There's another baseball park at NW 63rd St and 20th Ave NW, and another one at 60th and 26th. There are more baseball parks in Woodland Park, and they also have soccer fields. Ballard High School has a football stadium, though I don't know how easily accessible it is to non-students. There's another baseball park/football/soccer stadium at Local Heights Playfield.

But yeah, if you're into basketball, you're probably out of luck if you're looking for any outside basketball place, it's not really that popular here.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Flipside is suburban areas have more land attached to the house (for a given $) and bigger parks etc. That's more humane than inner cities.

Not if it means no convenience stores in walking/biking distance, forcing you to buy a car for basic necessities.

Depends. Most suburbs and towns have convenience stores at least where I have lived. USA might be different. Delivery is another option.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Tiny villages in Mexico have these kinds of options. It's not an amazing achievement.

I'm happy for the Mexicans - not sure why that's relevant.

Our zoning regulations enforce the automobile's hegemony, increasing distances and exposing pedestrians to the elements as well as dangerous traffic.

Without being forced to build in this financially insolvent manner, [1] no community would choose to isolate people from each other in the way that we do now in the United States.

Our neighboring country, Mexico, (among many others) shows that a costly design is not required for urban and suburban environments to work for humans.

The impending arrival self-driving car gives hope that the gigantic proportion of land devoted to car storage can be radically reduced, giving space for more buildings and habitable spaces between the buildings we have already constructed. This is a good sign for the future but we sure took an expensive, circuitous route to get there, all the while losing local power over our communities to industrial interests.

[1] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2016/4/19/the-sprawl-con...

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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So your argument is that you need your car because you don't live in a place that is designed for humans, so we shouldn't change cities to be less car dependent?

> designed for humans That's such a nonsensical argument. Suburbs weren't designed for elephants, they were created for humans, just like cities. You want to alleviate the dependence on cars in cities, make public transportation as convenient and flexible as having a car. Oh wait, you can't. People have cars because they do provide a perceived benefit, otherwise people would choose the alternative in droves. Maybe yo…

Suburbs are designed for automobiles to move humans between places, not for humans to move themselves.

There is no choice but to build cities in this car-dependent way. Cities are forced to do so by our legal system that has been influenced by the automobile manufacturers and other industries.

Instead of me digging up some citations, just go watch Roger Rabbit. This has been the story for many years.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Tractors, trucks, ambulances and motor bikes are not cars. > we already live in that America. Perhaps you should visit the old town centres in Europe, or the country villages. You can see what a society built around not using cars looks like.

I have been to old town centers in Europe, you really ought to tone down your elitism. What I meant when I said "tractor drivers getting to work" is people like my friend who grades and compacts pads for new homes. He drives a 4x4 pickup down a dirt road sometimes for 10+ miles to get to his tractor so he can start working. How does mass transit work for new construction?

> Both have reasonable use cases.

Building is a reasonable use case for cars while protecting yourself from polar bears is a reasonable use case for guns [0].

I don't understand why you, and a large number of other people, are being willfully obtuse about this. 10+ miles on dirt roads to get to a tractor is not someone who lives in civilization, it's someone out in the wilderness.

[0] https://www.cntraveler.com/story/alaskan-town-kaktovik-polar...

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Anecdotally, I always loved having a car and the sense of independence and freedom that came with it. Then at the age of 25, I moved out of the country to a small, walkable town in Latin America where I either walked, drove my scooter, or took motorcycle taxis everywhere. After two years of living there, I moved back to the US, bought a Jeep, and was super excited to have the autonomy and ability to travel between ci…

What happens if/when you have kids. I’ve seen many people biking around Amsterdam with their kids in protective bike high seats. But this is unheard of in many US cities. Minivans are the usual solution. Would you teach them to take public transport or try to live within walking distance of everything? Obvs doesn’t apply if u don’t plan on it, but curious if anyone has found a solution in US cities.

Personally don't plan on having kids. And if I did, hopefully won't be raising them in the US.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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> It's precisely because I have kids that I prioritize a walkable place. Because kids can't drive! This point is tragically under-appreciated. Kids who live in car-dependent suburbs are in a very real sense alienated from the larger society. A twelve-year-old should be able to visit the library, stop by the park, grab a sandwich at a lunch counter, mail a letter, and wander back home all by themselves in an afternoon…

Don't children have bicycles anymore?

I had a bike when I was a kid. Had to ride over an hour just to visit my nearest friend. It was a pretty dangerous route on roads designed for cars too, so my parents wouldn't let me do it alone until I was 14.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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What insanely selfish, regressive and obtuse article. Why not just move to an un contacted tribe! Its small, might have to shack up with your cousin, no need for a car, but who will bring in the cup of coffee? Hell who will be able to afford paying the rent or mortgage with a Starbucks job. What if you work for a construction company that makes his area you keep salivating over?
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