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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by themagician »

willio58 wrote: post #18
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

For the vast majority fo audiences, podcasts are basically centralized under iTunes. The only difference is that the creators have to pay for the bandwidth. So it's like the worst of all worlds.

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Post by qop »

s73v3r_ wrote: post #151
qop wrote: post #57

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IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc. The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube successful.

Until someone puts a bunch of kiddie porn up there. If there's not a reasonable way to take it down, that's a huge issue. Then the absence of censorship might lead to it's downfall.

There's plenty of kiddie porn on facebook, instagram, twitter. They hide it other images or scramble the images themselves to fool filters.

Or did you think that magically goes away because it's centralized?

GS instances have ways to block content instance-wide. So spam and porn filters can catch items and prevent all users on the instance from seeing it.

I don't know if ActivityPub specifies things like that in the spec yet, but moderation is of course a huge factor in the success of the fediverse. Lots of work is devoted to it.

Incredibly, nobody needs to be censored. The offending poster can be reported to authorities and handled from there without ever having to tell a user what they can and cannot post.

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Post by sergiotapia »

I hope this explode in popularity. I remember torrent streaming was in it's infancy at one point and nobody really used it. Now popular content is so heavily trafficked you can easily watch in full 1080p with no loading times.

I think once peertube hits it's mass effect it'll blow up. No stopping it, by design.

This is really awesome!

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Post by themagician »

CompelTechnic wrote: post #19
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

demonitized -> demonized is a great freudian slip.

Just a typo. I've got one of those shitty apple keyboards.

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Post by pmichaud »

CM30 wrote: post #98
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Nothing about any of that couldn't happen on a decentralised/federated network. The drama could obviously happen, though likely about different issues to those on YouTube. The discoverability could happen on a decentralised system, as could ad money/subscription payments, recommendations or anything else. Nothing about what makes someone successful on a site like YouTube needs it to be centralised to be possible.

IF you wanted to, how would you implement decentralized discovery?

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Post by tCfD »

zajd wrote: post #20
not_that_noob wrote: post #16

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I don’t know man - the Internet is distributed and last I checked it was doing great.

Distributed =/= decentralized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_root_zone

Yup, people who use the terms interchangeably tend to overlook to custodial and coordination problem solving paradoxes of decentralization and instead think of it only as a trendier-sounding variant of distribution.

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Post by smnplk »

themagician wrote: post #159
resters wrote: post #144

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Your assumptions are completely wrong. Content creators simply want a platform for gathering an audience. Youtube wants to play as many ads as possible. Let's not pretend that somehow those interests align perfectly in the product we know as youtube. The audience generation mechanics are an important ingredient for replacing youtube, but youtube has gone from being a free service that had little user generated conten…

I'm not wrong. We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. To many people it's the centralized services that "are" the Internet: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram—that's it. YouTube is the lowest common denominator of video. You aren't going to "fix" its problems with a more complex decentralized network. If you want to solve the problems with YouTube you have to do it w…

Another point of decentralised services is cutting out the middleman and this is what should be appealing to content creators.

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Post by themagician »

smnplk wrote: post #167
themagician wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not wrong. We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. To many people it's the centralized services that "are" the Internet: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram—that's it. YouTube is the lowest common denominator of video. You aren't going to "fix" its problems with a more complex decentralized network. If you want to solve the problems with YouTube you have to do it w…

Another point of decentralised services is cutting out the middleman and this is what should be appealing to content creators.

Not really. Content creators often look for middlemen to represent them. That's why they join networks that works directly with YouTube.

Most of the views to people who do YouTube as a job. When you look on that trending list, 90% of those videos are people waking up and going to a job. The last thing they want is more bosses and more logistics.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by themagician »

jordigh wrote: post #129
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

It's really grinding when the top comments of any sort of alternative thing to come out are always so negative. Long list of reasons why this will never work out. It's easy to be negative. It's more difficult but more fun to be inventive and industrious. To the peertube devs: don't let negative comments like this grind you down. Peertube has some great ideas and I think it can succeed.

I mean, it does have some great ideas. They just aren't ideas that YouTube's audience or content creators care about.
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