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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by s73v3r_ »

qop wrote: post #57
gwbas1c wrote: post #50

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I think you're on to something. > How many attempts at decentralized social networks have failed? All of them. When I've tried to build decentralized code, it's 10x harder. IMO, the real problem with creating a decentralized replacement for a centralized service is multi-fold: You have to really understand the use case that you're trying to replace, and the nuances that drive the general public to that particular ser…

IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc. The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube successful.

Until someone puts a bunch of kiddie porn up there. If there's not a reasonable way to take it down, that's a huge issue. Then the absence of censorship might lead to it's downfall.

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Post by s73v3r_ »

qop wrote: post #71
satsuma wrote: post #64

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how many of those have never seen real use/adoption above hobbyists/diehards, though? irc and sms is about it from that list. it was a drag getting people to drop skype for telegram, despite telegram being (in my opinion) more user friendly. getting them to go to something like gnusocial would be damn near impossible. decentralized youtube might be easier to get rolling, on the other hand. all it takes is sharing you…

People made this argument about cars when they were still riding horseback. Let's not defend the worse thing here.

Handwaving away criticism by saying, "People in the past have been wrong about things before" isn't really addressing anything.

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Post by aninhumer »

boron1006 wrote: post #133
CM30 wrote: post #98

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Nothing about any of that couldn't happen on a decentralised/federated network. The drama could obviously happen, though likely about different issues to those on YouTube. The discoverability could happen on a decentralised system, as could ad money/subscription payments, recommendations or anything else. Nothing about what makes someone successful on a site like YouTube needs it to be centralised to be possible.

It's not impossible, but I think it's way, way less likely. The thing with YouTube alternatives is that they have to be at least as good as YouTube. Creators will only go where their audiences will go, so a site that doesn't offer a good user experience will immediately be off the table. Discoverability is way harder on decentralized systems, as is providing recommendations, stability, etc. Sometimes HN/reddit gets s…

>The thing with YouTube alternatives is that they have to be at least as good as YouTube. Creators will only go where their audiences will go, so a site that doesn't offer a good user experience will immediately be off the table.

Why do you assume they have to choose?

A creator could upload to YouTube to get access to their audience, but then also encourage people to use PeerTube to get their videos.

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Post by hansjorg »

toasterlovin wrote: post #84
hansjorg wrote: post #69

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Believe it or not, but people without iTunes are also listening to podcasts. I've yet to come across a podcast I wanted to listen to without an RSS feed available through a website. For discovery there are several good alternatives to iTunes, for example https://player.fm

> I've yet to come across a podcast I wanted to listen to without an RSS feed available through a website. That's because podcasts on iTunes just point to an RSS feed hosted elsewhere. iTunes doesn't host the audio files; it's just a directory.

Yes, but the feed is always (in my experience) available as a link from a web page (hence decentralized and not dependent on iTunes).

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Post by s73v3r_ »

posting2fast wrote: post #39
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

https://framatube.org/ Am I wrong, or does this list videos across instances? As long as there is one search interface for many instances, and only one account needed to follow whatever instance they are on, what more centralization do you need? I remember when Google Video still existed, and I wanted to try it out. I don't really make video, but I had random boring clips made with my digicam, and I uploaded one wher…

You're not making videos, though. Thus, you don't really can't speak to what content creators want. And just because people complain about YouTube at times doesn't mean they want a decentralized service.

And when they complain about demonetization, I'm not sure how decentralized services are supposed to help there, because I've not seen much in how decentralized services are supposed to help monetize videos. I'm pretty sure they're not going to be serving ads.

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Post by meko »

yroc92 wrote: post #135
jordigh wrote: post #129

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It's really grinding when the top comments of any sort of alternative thing to come out are always so negative. Long list of reasons why this will never work out. It's easy to be negative. It's more difficult but more fun to be inventive and industrious. To the peertube devs: don't let negative comments like this grind you down. Peertube has some great ideas and I think it can succeed.

The top comment of almost any post on HN is negative.

I've noticed this and wonder why it is... Maybe developers /engineers are prone to seeking out, trying to identify constraints?

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Post by s73v3r_ »

tejtm wrote: post #36
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

No,that is most definitely not what I want as a content creator. I do not want just any audience (that is the realm of people who require attention for validation or exploitation). By the time I have created something I have already gotten what I am going to get out of it, sharing it is just a courtesy and I would rather just share with people who care enough to make the effort to search for something relevant to the…

I think most of the content creators also want to be paid for creating the content. I've not seen how PeerTube intends to help with that.

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Post by sleepyams »

drexlspivey wrote: post #107
onli wrote: post #66

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> If you're using my machine and my bandwidth to host or transfer your video to another person, you're going to pay me for it That's a bit ridiculous. No one is ever gonna pay you for that. You get something for free, the video you want to watch, and the deal here is that your unused upload bandwidth gets used to help transfer it to others. It's a social contract thing, and thinking you might get a better deal magica…

> That's a bit ridiculous. No one is ever gonna pay you for that. There is a p2p network that does exactly that using cryptocurrency tokens. https://substratum.net/

Also FileCoin:

https://filecoin.io/

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Post by themagician »

resters wrote: post #144
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Your assumptions are completely wrong. Content creators simply want a platform for gathering an audience. Youtube wants to play as many ads as possible. Let's not pretend that somehow those interests align perfectly in the product we know as youtube. The audience generation mechanics are an important ingredient for replacing youtube, but youtube has gone from being a free service that had little user generated conten…

I'm not wrong.

We have moved towards a world of centralized services because that's what people want. To many people it's the centralized services that "are" the Internet: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram—that's it. YouTube is the lowest common denominator of video. You aren't going to "fix" its problems with a more complex decentralized network.

If you want to solve the problems with YouTube you have to do it with another YouTube. Build another centralized service that fixes the problems that YouTube has, because that's what people want. Not a federated network. Creators want do less work for a larger more consistent paycheck.

Have we learned nothing from literally every single project the that has tried to "free" us from the evils of the centralized services? Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_pro... Slowly they all go from Active to Dead or Stalled.

YouTube's audience doesn't care about anything at decentralized network has to offer. It's just entertainment for them. They just want to watch videos and shitpost in the comments.

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Post by mirimir »

themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

> ... content creators want centralized services ...

Sure they do. Until their content gets nuked, with no recourse.

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