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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by qop »

satsuma wrote: post #64
qop wrote: post #57

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IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc. The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube successful.

how many of those have never seen real use/adoption above hobbyists/diehards, though? irc and sms is about it from that list. it was a drag getting people to drop skype for telegram, despite telegram being (in my opinion) more user friendly. getting them to go to something like gnusocial would be damn near impossible. decentralized youtube might be easier to get rolling, on the other hand. all it takes is sharing you…

People made this argument about cars when they were still riding horseback.

Let's not defend the worse thing here.

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Post by tehduder9 »

wongarsu wrote: post #14
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

youtube is great for building an audience, but not nessesarily good for keeping it. A lot of niches have great success with patreon, but great trouble with keeping their videos on youtube (and in some cases keeping them in their subscribers feeds even when they are not taken down). The issues range from youtube's automatic enforcement of content guidelines (which appears more or less random), their ever increasing st…

>youtube is great for building an audience, but not nessesarily good for keeping it.

I wouldn't make that youtube's fault. People just grow out of content or like other content.

And the overzealous community guidelines and copyright strikes are a result of hundreds of lawsuits against youtube by the movie industry, and a need to appeal to advertisers for their platform.

Youtube barely makes any real income, just barely.

People seriously seriously underestimate the amount time and tech that has gone into youtube.

PeerTube/alternate youtube will also be subjective to the same things and similar things will happen.

Copyright system has to inspect billions of hours of video in a day, you can't expect people to do all of that. Will the alternative that isn't already a huge company have the assets to deal with all the copyright infringement? To have the enourmous CDN and advanced AI filtering algorithms that is better than youtube?

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Post by drb91 »

lylecubed wrote: post #60
phoe-krk wrote: post #4

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Mastodon is going pretty well. I greatly enjoy using it and the conversations I have there.

Am I the only one who finds the UI of mastodon nearly unusable? Then again, I also find tweetdeck and the twitter webpage a struggle to use.

It doesn't seem any worse than Twitter itself.

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Post by cubano »

Endy wrote: post #48
willio58 wrote: post #18

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Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

Really? I don't agree here. I've never seen any that weren't being pushed to one of the major podcast apps - and thusly centralized. I mean, the whole term comes from the fact that it was originally downloadable to your iPod through iTunes. None of the podcasts I've ever found could really be considered decentralized - they might have a webpage somewhere, sure, but if they're not in Apple's iTunes/Podcast app, I'm no…

Podbean is pretty good for searching, and they even have a creator platform as well.

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

izzydata wrote: post #61
meesterdude wrote: post #13

Good, we need decentralized services, especially as content creators. Youtube will flag seeming anything as violating some copyright, no matter how fair it's use may be. It's getting to be excessive now. Fanmade music Video's i watched two weeks ago are taken down and gone from the internet. There's a real cultural loss with that, the culmination of human creativity snuffed over servitude to corporations who blanket…

What would process of taking down an obviously illegal video be on PeerTube?

Contact the peertube host. If they choose to leave it up, you can contact law enforcement / a court who can make a genuine judgement as to the legality of the content and take up approrpriate enforcement.

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Post by tehduder9 »

lylecubed wrote: post #55
nerdponx wrote: post #44

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What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). You need a centralized discovery service (this is where Tor, I2P, Freenet, IPFS, etc. all fail). Centralized content hosting is different.

Why couldn't you make the discovery service decentralized as well?

For the same reason we don't use the Usenet in place of the Internet.

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Post by albertgoeswoof »

dragontamer wrote: post #15
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

> What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). I agree. The current Youtube creators have built their models on advertisement, clicks, favorites, etc. etc. PeerTube will never be for them. There's simply no money in PeerTube right now. That's fine however. There's a large section of creators, such as Blender, Edu…

There's no reason you can't build in monetization to peertube, and let the peertube host choose to enable it or not.

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Post by jMyles »

themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

> How many attempts at decentralized social networks have failed? All of them.

This seems like a very, very premature assessment. Come back in 50 years and see if this is still true.

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Post by sanderjd »

Endy wrote: post #48
willio58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

Really? I don't agree here. I've never seen any that weren't being pushed to one of the major podcast apps - and thusly centralized. I mean, the whole term comes from the fact that it was originally downloadable to your iPod through iTunes. None of the podcasts I've ever found could really be considered decentralized - they might have a webpage somewhere, sure, but if they're not in Apple's iTunes/Podcast app, I'm no…

This doesn't mesh with my experience at all. Are there podcasts that you can only get on iTunes or one of the other platforms? I haven't ever come across one. Can you give me an example of a podcast I can find on Apple's Podcasts app but not on Overcast (on iOS) or PodcastAddict (on Android)?

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Post by mintplant »

Endy wrote: post #58

I like the idea of PeerTube, but there are many hurdles. Anyone whose ISP/firewall/etc blocks all Torrent traffic is going to have a major challenge - which means that while part of what PeerTube has been so far is educational videos, they're not accessible in most school environments. That's a big challenge to overcome. The other is pretty simple, and a reason I have not used PeerTube to watch a single video. If you…

> Anyone whose ISP/firewall/etc blocks all Torrent traffic is going to have a major challenge - which means that while part of what PeerTube has been so far is educational videos, they're not accessible in most school environments.

Are you sure? PeerTube uses the WebTorrent protocol, which operates over WebRTC and consequently doesn't look like most torrent traffic. And the player can fall back to a plain HTTP download from the host server.

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