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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by marcusf »

MR4D wrote: post #43
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

I think you're confuning centralization with a walled garden. Because if what you said were true, then why would Disney be buying Hulu? The larger of a content creator I am, the more I want to control distribution. Having my content on a site with someone else's rules sucks, because I am at their mercy. For example, with Disney owning Hulu, they can tell Google to go F-off, and never worry about their content being a…

Huge difference between a brand likey Disney able to pull off a streaming service and smaller producers. Smaller producers need demand, and for video demand = youtube.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by iknowverylittle »

dragontamer wrote: post #35
iknowverylittle wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that 'decentralized' in this case means decentralized in community. I understand it more as decentralized hosting since it's P2P. Now, peertube does state something about 'instances', so that might separate content from one accessable website. I don't know. YouTube's big point initially was video hosting was expensive and YouTube made it cheap (for creators). It is also is a centralized community so you…

> I'm not sure that 'decentralized' in this case means decentralized in community. The idea of ActivityPub is to have a federated group of servers. Similar to XMPP and Email. So you can create an account as Alice@serverAlpha.com, while I can create an account as Bob@serverB.com. When I publish a video at serverB.com, it will notify serverAlpha.com that a new video was published, which eventually tells Alice to check…

Thank you!

This is all new to me, so I don't know how it works. However, this does resolve my concern about 'instances'.

It makes me excited and hopeful then that Peertube could become something pretty great.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by zanny »

Sangermaine wrote: post #32
willio58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

>Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized No, they aren’t. Of course anyone can put up a podcast, but the successful ones tend to cluster into podcast networks of like shows or join the big podcast groups like Nerdist, Wondery, or Earwolf. Or be a part of an established media company like NPR or Slate. It’s easy to start a podcast but very hard to survive and expand alone.

Additionally podcast revenue is heavily centralized, which warps the kind of programming around the whims of the sponsors - who are often Amazon or a subsidiary company of another Fortune 500.

Within a margin of error I'd imagine virtually all tech centric web content has at some point been sponsored by Audible (Amazon), Squarespace (private), Dollar Shave Club (Unilever), or rarely one of a few VPNs like Tunnelbear or Private Internet Access.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by lylecubed »

ReverseCold wrote: post #40
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

The biggest thing holding back p2p/"truly decentralized" networks (in my opinion) are NAT/Firewalls. You cannot reliably get past them on the inside without manual configuration. There's no way you can convince millions of people to try to port forward, and UPnP is very hit or miss. If that was solved, lightweight applications like 1:1 messaging could easily be fully peer to peer/decentralized/trustless.

How does bittorrent get around this? It isn't particularly troubled by nats or firewalls unless you live on a college campus.

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by lylecubed »

nerdponx wrote: post #44
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). You need a centralized discovery service (this is where Tor, I2P, Freenet, IPFS, etc. all fail). Centralized content hosting is different.

Why couldn't you make the discovery service decentralized as well?

Re: PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by qop »

gwbas1c wrote: post #50
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

I think you're on to something. > How many attempts at decentralized social networks have failed? All of them. When I've tried to build decentralized code, it's 10x harder. IMO, the real problem with creating a decentralized replacement for a centralized service is multi-fold: You have to really understand the use case that you're trying to replace, and the nuances that drive the general public to that particular ser…

IRC, gnusocial, xmpp, sms to some degree, ham radio, etc.

The absence of censorship I think will prove to be tangible enough to make products like peertube successful.

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Post by Endy »

I like the idea of PeerTube, but there are many hurdles.

Anyone whose ISP/firewall/etc blocks all Torrent traffic is going to have a major challenge - which means that while part of what PeerTube has been so far is educational videos, they're not accessible in most school environments. That's a big challenge to overcome.

The other is pretty simple, and a reason I have not used PeerTube to watch a single video. If you're using my machine and my bandwidth to host or transfer your video to another person, you're going to pay me for it - upfront and at a rate I agree to. You're slowing down my connection and your website is causing me send data to someone I do not know. You're going to be liable for anything malicious that gets sent back; and if you're MitM'ing it to scan it properly, why are you wasting my bandwidth and storage?

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Post by flatline »

themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Usenet is still a thing, going on 40 years now. It may not be uber popular but it's far from a failure.

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Post by lylecubed »

phoe-krk wrote: post #4
themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

Mastodon is going pretty well. I greatly enjoy using it and the conversations I have there.

Am I the only one who finds the UI of mastodon nearly unusable? Then again, I also find tweetdeck and the twitter webpage a struggle to use.
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