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How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Anecdotally, I always loved having a car and the sense of independence and freedom that came with it. Then at the age of 25, I moved out of the country to a small, walkable town in Latin America where I either walked, drove my scooter, or took motorcycle taxis everywhere. After two years of living there, I moved back to the US, bought a Jeep, and was super excited to have the autonomy and ability to travel between ci…

What happens if/when you have kids. I’ve seen many people biking around Amsterdam with their kids in protective bike high seats. But this is unheard of in many US cities. Minivans are the usual solution. Would you teach them to take public transport or try to live within walking distance of everything? Obvs doesn’t apply if u don’t plan on it, but curious if anyone has found a solution in US cities.

I have a 2-year-old in San Francisco. We walk or take transit everywhere. (I also don’t use a stroller, so the kid is either walking for himself or riding on my shoulders, or occasionally riding in a wagon to the grocery store 2 blocks away.) My wife bikes to work. We have a car but it is mostly only used for trips to Costco and road trips; we could certainly get by with occasional rentals/taxis, but the car is occasionally convenient.

At some point in the nearish future I will probably put some kind of kid seat on the back of my bike.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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I'm not sure about Europe and America but where I live (Australia) living in the city is ridiculously expensive (Sydney routinely ranks as one of the highest cost of living cities in the world). When I was growing up I lived in the suburbs, I hated it so far from everything, very infrequent public transport (lucky to get one bus an hour). Maybe worst of all as a young geek poor internet speed. I was stuck on dial up…

Why not move to a smaller city that is more affordable? Brisbane has software jobs and a lower cost of living. Condos in Perth near the CBD are surprisingly very affordable, though there are fewer good jobs.

Come work in Perth, if you're handy with web dev and don't mind learning some GIS skills I might be able to get you an interview :)

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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A great Dutch ‘invention’ is what is known as a Bakfiets - effectively a longer, heavier bicycle with a large ‘bucket’ (bak) at the front that can carry two children and/or lots of shopping or goods. Also worth noting is the huge environmental cost of cars - not just in carbon monoxide, huge array of components and metals they require to build, impact on climate change, etc., but also how they create ‘nature barriers…

I live in a neighbourhood formed between 1910 and 1930. When I looked it up in the photo archives, I saw how the road was a single piece spanning the entire width of the street, front door to front door. I saw how children and people just walked and played on it. A horse carriage moving through it. Nowadays from left to right it's a small side-walk, parked cars, a road for cars, a small strip for cyclists and another small side-walk. I really want to go back to having just a big wide lane for general use.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Anecdotally, I always loved having a car and the sense of independence and freedom that came with it. Then at the age of 25, I moved out of the country to a small, walkable town in Latin America where I either walked, drove my scooter, or took motorcycle taxis everywhere. After two years of living there, I moved back to the US, bought a Jeep, and was super excited to have the autonomy and ability to travel between ci…

It is the same story in some parts of the world but in Europe it is better where youngesters could take the train for free to all of EU countries, I think, although that was the case in differnt ways. Maybe you should read this nice analysis on it here:"Much has been said about the commodification of the city, a process by which urban space becomes a commodity and is thus systematically exploited for the primary purpose of profitmaking. Residents and tourists alike are reduced to “mere ‘extras’ in the great urban spectacle,” which is geared toward maximizing income." This is not to mention that they continue to be blighted by being car-based cities ill-suited for pedestrian life, and which cause thousands of traffic deaths per year, the highest rate in the world.

The answer, in short, is capital. More specifically, it is the form that capitalist enterprise has manifested as in the Gulf. Ever since the discovery of oil, most of the surplus petrodollars have poured into the so-called secondary circuit of infrastructure and real estate. Aside from oil, the region lacks primary productive circuits. As a result, much of the money the state gathered from selling oil abroad was poured directly into the built environment. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/gulf-states-oil-capital-e... EDITED for spelling.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Why not move to a smaller city that is more affordable? Brisbane has software jobs and a lower cost of living. Condos in Perth near the CBD are surprisingly very affordable, though there are fewer good jobs.

Perth has a sickeningly low density of residents within the CBD, and as a result you can get some really good deals on apartments within a stones throw to the city. It's also got a pretty good 'small town' sort of atmosphere compared to other cities. It's not exactly the most progressive of places, however. But personally I love it. NB: I'm currently in the position of purchasing land in Perth and you can get some go…

Existing house or empty lot?

I'm looking in the near future so would be keen to know where to look.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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It's precisely because I have kids that I prioritize a walkable place. Because kids can't drive! So in car-dependent places, they have no autonomy until they're nearly adults. I think it's much more healthy for them to slowly and steadily expand their autonomy, rather than a sudden discontinuous break when they learn to drive. The same argument applies in reverse to old people too. In places with good transit and wal…

> It's precisely because I have kids that I prioritize a walkable place. Because kids can't drive! This point is tragically under-appreciated. Kids who live in car-dependent suburbs are in a very real sense alienated from the larger society. A twelve-year-old should be able to visit the library, stop by the park, grab a sandwich at a lunch counter, mail a letter, and wander back home all by themselves in an afternoon…

Don't children have bicycles anymore?

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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For one, the geography of car use tracks with income and wealth: Car-dependent places are considerably less affluent. Metros in which a higher share of people depend on their cars to get to work are poorer, and those where more people use transit or bike or walk to work are considerably more affluent. I always hated driving. I gave up my car more than a decade ago. I am happy to see stats like this. In spite of how s…

I had not thought of it that way - car-dependent places being poorer. Part of the reason this is not so obvious is that a car is a status symbol and people do like their nice rides and to feel special in their pride and joy car.

But it stands to reason that if all of your out-goings are paying for the motor then you are going to have less money to spend or invest in other things. If someone has a fancy car it may be leased for x amount per month with restrictions on miles driven, the financing being fairly scammy for the buyer and the auto-maker. Yet we see the gleaming motorcar and assume 'that person must be rich' (rather than pity them for their apparent status anxiety).

We don't see that person on a bicycle and think 'they must be rich', envying them for not outlaying $$$ a month to keep a tin box on the road belching poisons. Instead we are more likely to wonder what is wrong with them. In the last century you would possibly wonder if they got nicked for drink driving and their punishment was to be relegated to two wheels. Luckily attitudes have improved in that respect.

It is the same with houses. The person that rents might have debts but the person with the million dollar mansion and some type of interest only mortgage really does have a million dollars of debt hanging around their neck. Yet we perceive them to be rich. By this logic the homeless guy in the park is richer than all the neighbours beholden to banks rentseeking them with their mortgage products for 25 year periods.

The people who are actually rich as they have inherited the land are dismissive of the nouveau rich, maybe they know the truth at these folk haven't actually got tangible wealth, just big debts to banks and wannabee status anxiety. You can find landed-gentry types wearing the same coat for thirty years and driving round in cars approaching that age, beaten up and full of dog hairs. They might have bought that ancient Volvo new, no finance needed. They might also use it to buy very fine food and drink from the posh supermarket. They don't have status problems like the people in fancy cars do.

America is different to Europe in this aspect, partly because there is this idea that America is the land of freedom and opportunity, in Europe people kind of know their place and don't feel ashamed to do a regular job. In America you have to be a rockstar or die trying. Sense of community doesn't fill the void when life is one of suburban sprawl. In a walkable community you should be able to say hello to a few people just going about your business, a wave and a smile shared with that old guy you see walking his dog every day does give you some sense of belonging in your (little) world. You might grumble about the guy and how his dog walks so slowly with no road sense whatsoever but that passing acknowledgement of existence is a community bond, the smile is real. Driving some shiny behemoth of a vehicle gives you none of that, sure you can wave from the window and hoot your horn but it is still a little mobile prison cell of sorts. You can't actually stop and chat. Sure you are off to see more important, higher status people that have better convo than the doddery neighbour with the dog but you are also spiritually a bit poorer for not being part of a local, walkable community.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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As a preface, I will admit that while I hate traffic, I do generally love driving. Not for any particular reason, just the act of making a machine obey my whims and take me where I want to go, ideally with AC and a good stereo. It satisfies some primal need in me, and I enjoy being the driver when we're on vacation, in a rental car.

However, I am now in the third car-free period of my life, and I am not likely to buy a car again anytime soon, unless circumstances force me to do so. I grew in up a small town in the countryside, where I will certainly admit that not having a car would have been a major setback.

But I've since lived in slightly bigger towns, where a car-free existence was easy, and now I live in Copenhagen, where the bicycle is basically king. The only reason I had a car here was because I thought I couldn't do without it.

I see a lot of comments about people not wanting to interact with other people, and expressing fear of diseases, psychopathic homeless and people and a whole host of other -- frankly rather paranoid -- ideas. I use public transport and bike every day, and you absolutely don't have to interact with people, if you don't want to. And besides, people watching can be fun. There are some really bizarre and interesting folks out there.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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This is honestly the main reason why I can't see myself settling down in the US. After 5 years living in Manhattan, I find the American suburbs extroardinarily isolating and depressing. Sure I could live in the city, but living in any city big enough to be interesting is too expensive for my tastes. I don't like being dependent on the paycheck of a high salary job (especially in workaholic NYC/USA where you get little time off). So in the meantime I've left the U.S. in search of cheaper cities that still have high quality of life, and walkability is a huge component of that.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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I personally love driving - but I work from home. Nothing makes me happier than remote starting my F150 and hearing its V8 roar from inside the house through several walls/doors. Have kids? When your kid spikes a fever at 1am and you have no car and you need to go buy some children’s ibuprofen, what are you going to do? I can run to my local 24/7 grocer or Walmart and be back in 10 minutes flat. My son had a bad reac…

> I can run to my local 24/7 grocer or Walmart and be back in 10 minutes flat. > We were at the hospital in 15 minutes thanks to the modern automobile. If you live within 3 minutes of a Walmart (3 minutes traveling there, 3 minutes checking out, and 3 minutes returning) and 15 minutes of a hospital you are significantly better located than the average suburbanite. Most walkable urban areas will have 24 hour convenien…

> Most walkable urban areas will have 24 hour convenience stores every few blocks.

This is only true in very large cities (NYC, LA, Paris, etc.) In smaller cities my experience is quite the opposite, shops close early and they are far and few between. I'm talking between 200-500k population (my sample size is small, but one city is in the US the other in France, neither had pharmacies within walking distance that were open past 9pm.)

> Try getting antibiotics for strep throat at 2am for less than $250 cash in less than ninety minutes in a suburb

Never been a problem here with a local 24/7 pharmacy that takes insurance so I'm not sure where you're getting your $250 figure from.

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