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Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by Rjevski »

izacus wrote: post #45
threeseed wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bizarre to me. You simply can not attract developers to your platform without a first rate console experience. Why even bother with Powershell, Linux Subsystem etc without getting this crucial component working perfectly ?

Windows is the biggest, most popular development platform in the world. Are you not even slightly aware of the bias and bubble you live in?!

Which languages? Maybe for desktop app development (but that itself is quite a niche market now). I have yet to see a web developer use Windows. All I see are Macs and the occasional Linux.

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by drblast »

zadjii wrote: post #25
zerr wrote: post #22

> The Windows Console code-base is currently (July 2018) almost 30 years old ... older, in fact, than the developers who now work on it! It smells like ageism... Did you lay off the original "old" devs? EDIT: :)

Lol any original devs retired a long time ago, can you imagine what $MSFT shares from 1989 are worth now?

Don't even have to imagine.

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Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by 0xFFFF0000 »

tempodox wrote: post #30

So, MS has finally realized they're 40 years behind the civilized world. I'm curious to see how long it will take them to catch up.

Not sure what you mean... PowerShell Console is one of the most modern and advanced consoles there is and it's from Microsoft (compared to old non object oriented and pipelined stuff like cmd here in the article) - but it's still good to see that they haven't forgotten about the good old cmd.exe :)

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by ygra »

sun41 wrote: post #43
zadjii wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried enabling QuickEdit mode in the Properties (right click on the titlebar)? Quick edit lets you use the mouse for selecting, and in Insider's releases we've even added support for Ctrl+Shift+C/V for copy paste (even in wsl!). We've been working on not only tons of bugs, but adding plenty of new features, including support for VT sequences, 256/RGB color, improving our unicode support, enhanced accessibili…

> and in Insider's releases we've even added support for Ctrl+Shift+C/V for copy paste (even in wsl!) Insider's release only? Wow, that sounds like really advanced stuff for something totally basic! > we've even added support for Ctrl+Shift+C/V for copy paste So, you're from Microsoft, down voting everything that has the slightest touch of criticism? With the entire team maybe? You must be a very proud employee.

> Insider's release only? Wow, that sounds like really advanced stuff for something totally basic!

This has nothing to do with how large or small the feature or change is. A feature, once ready to be publicly tested, will get in the pipeline to first get into the insider releases and eventually show up in a normal build. In what kind of release such a change is is purely based on how old the change is, I guess. But of course, don't let that detract you from snarking.

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by sun41 »

zadjii wrote: post #13
Someone1234 wrote: post #7

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I love Powershell, but it still uses the exact same ConHost as cmd and command.com before it. When scripting PS this is a non-issue, but using it interactively remains painful.

May I ask what your specific pain points are? We've been doing a lot to try and improve our usability but there's so very much on our backlog that it's hard to prioritize. I'm always curious if people have specific requests edit: pain points with conhost*. I work on conhost, the "terminal", not PowerShell

Almost any console is better than the Windows console. I use iTerm2 on OSX now, what an awesome UX. Maybe it's a good idea that you guys first take a look at what you are actually trying to reinvent.

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by royjacobs »

sun41 wrote: post #47
zadjii wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just flat out wrong: https://i.imgur.com/ae1yyXI.png We added support for TTF fonts a few releases ago.

Wow, so that's fixed after almost 30 years! Flat out amazing, what a team!

...so if they don't fix it, the console sucks. But if they do fix it you still find the need to be snarky?

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by ygra »

konstmonst wrote: post #28
zadjii wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask what your specific pain points are? We've been doing a lot to try and improve our usability but there's so very much on our backlog that it's hard to prioritize. I'm always curious if people have specific requests edit: pain points with conhost*. I work on conhost, the "terminal", not PowerShell

Even on Windows I use mingw64 terminal + pacman. My pain points are: - Conemu can show up on a shorcut, Windows Console can't - Windows Console doesn't have tabs - There is no CTRL + R to search for the last command Ok maybe I've got more bash issues: - autocompletion in cmd doesn't work, not for commands nor for command arguments, like in Linux consoles - mc doesn't work in cmd - I really hate dos batch language bec…

> There is no CTRL + R to search for the last command

On Unix this is typically a shell feature, not a console/terminal feature. The corresponding way to do this in the Windows console would be F8, I think.

> autocompletion in cmd doesn't work

> I really hate dos batch language

None of those have anything to do with the console.

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by sun41 »

zadjii wrote: post #25
zerr wrote: post #22

> The Windows Console code-base is currently (July 2018) almost 30 years old ... older, in fact, than the developers who now work on it! It smells like ageism... Did you lay off the original "old" devs? EDIT: :)

Lol any original devs retired a long time ago, can you imagine what $MSFT shares from 1989 are worth now?

What the heck is this related to shares? You mean to suggest all original devs are millionaire, and that being a millionaire means you don't code anymore? And you, poor guy, missed out?

Re: Inside the Windows Console

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Post by ygra »

0xFFFF0000 wrote: post #53
tempodox wrote: post #30

So, MS has finally realized they're 40 years behind the civilized world. I'm curious to see how long it will take them to catch up.

Not sure what you mean... PowerShell Console is one of the most modern and advanced consoles there is and it's from Microsoft (compared to old non object oriented and pipelined stuff like cmd here in the article) - but it's still good to see that they haven't forgotten about the good old cmd.exe :)

You're mistaking the shell for the console. As the article quite clearly points out, there's a vast difference between both, even though when you look at a console application (such as a shell) you kind of always see both.
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