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Farewell, Google Maps

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Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Which most likely meant the startup was a feature or a product, not a company with a viable business model.

Gmail is free. Does that mean email service is not a product? Why does fastmail exist?

Because there are people (like me) who value their privacy/data.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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It's as much as a 28x increase in price. For Street View imagery, the cost has gone from $0.5 per 1000 views to $14 / 1000. Unlike with maps, Street View lacks a real alternative. I'm seeing my own costs, for a site which I run on my own, rise from $1,500 / month to around $30,000 / month. Their rationale is essentially that they did not want commercial users abusing their free tier. Before this change, they had been…

Please contact the US Department of Justice and let them know about how the price increase is affecting you in regards to Street View. They seemed to buy into my reasoning that Google has effectively made sure that they won't have any Street View competition by artificially keeping prices low for years. The more people that complain, the sooner the DOJ will probably take action. For European users I recommend complai…

The link to make a complain would be the antitrust division here: https://www.justice.gov/atr/report-violations

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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I think it is positive that google finally reaches a sane price point with maps. As the comparison in the blog post shows, the whole market of map providers looked at what gmaps is charging and kind of went along with a price in the same category. The higher price allows them to actually get paid for the value they provide to various startups, which - as they pointed out in the blog post - would not exist without the…

Here is the problem. When Google first launched Maps it was free and they ran all of the other competition out of business. Now that all their competition are dead they want to charge for it. If that doesn't scream antitrust I don't know what else does. Google has grown maps using pretty shady tactics. Their data is only so good due to mining data from all the Android users and I bet Street View has a lot of governme…

A couple of years ago in my home country, in Eastern Europe, we had a startup focused on street view imagery. They managed to go through all the major cities and roads and had way better data than google and more coverage. They also started expanding in other countries in the region, going from Austria to Poland. There was a catch, they were more expensive and you couldn’t use their services for free, because they actually needed to make money. The moment Google came in and added street view for this Area of Europe, and even though their product had better images than Google, they went out of business, because nobody used their service any more.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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> we would be wary on taking free Google Analytics for granted It is not free. Your users pay for that with their privacy and Google gets your user's browsing history for free. It is unfair and you should not have used it in the first place.

Their "I am not a robot" captcha is in similar vein. If I am training your machine learning models by manually clicking on pictures, I need access to the trained model.

I have refused to use dozens of service which required me to click pictures to prove that "I am not a robot" and sent the service provider an email informing them of my decision. I would urge everyone to do the same.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Companies with deep pockets trying and failing to gain a meaningful share in a market is more proof of a monopoly or other anti-competitive behavior, not less.

Could you point to this supposed behavior? Price and quality are, in themselves, not anticompetitive.

"Dumping" i.e. Putting out a product below cost to eliminate competitors is one of the fundamental forms of anticompetitive behaviour. All of Googles "free" products seem to fit the definition - they would not profitable standalone without Google's dominance in other markets and companies only operating in a single market cannot compete.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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OpenStreetMap example looks superior but I think it didn't get enough research for this article.

Anyone can use Leaflet together with OpenStreetMap for free* for heavy commercial purposes[0] if you make your own mirror/render of OSM tiles. Also simple reverse proxy cache[1] can keep public servers usage acceptable. Styles can be also modified at render stage, e.g. [2].

*The cost is only your one time setup work and then any monthly hosting bill.

I encourage anyone to prefer these open alternatives and of course donate money, time or hosting to help develop them.

[0] https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/4669/can-i-use-open...

[1] https://pastebin.com/brTQ68nw

[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/German_Style

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Why not host you own OSM data for Poland and Germany? Just reduce the detail level and unneeded layers and deliver vector tiles. This way you are the master of your own destiny and bear (most) of the true cost of your service without any middlemen to charge usurious tolls. Then just make an annual token donation to OSM for their data services and you are done.

My company went this route. We host own tiles for whole europe, at high level of detail for several of our projects. Thanks to having all data in our own database we can also do geocoding/geodecoding and we've made our own geodecoder (simple postgres query with some some organically grown rules for interpretation of osm data into address). That resulted in 20x faster service for us than from google and just this geodecoding would cost as much as our server colocation (small 8core/32gb machine with 3 cheap ssd in striping configuration).

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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That email is fake: they have forged the screenshot. In the first paragraph you can clearly see how the typeface changes to something different (starting with "enterprise-grade") Compare these two "g": https://i.imgur.com/8Ja6pl2.png I've archived the post in case they decide to fix their "mistake". https://archive.is/w2swh

Couldn't that be subpixel anti-aliasing? Besides that, there's nothing difficult to believe about that experience with google. And besides THAT, there's a far more trivial method of 'forging' an email - using the devtools to modify the DOM. No need to bust out photoshop at all. Your accusation makes no sense and is based on almost nothing.

No, it's not subpixel anti-aliasing. It's a completely different font. It looks like Roboto to me, while the rest of the email is written using Helvetica.

DOM manipulation, of course. But not everybody knows about it. So most people default to Photoshop, which is what these people did.

This email is FORGED, and I'd like to know why.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Here is the problem. When Google first launched Maps it was free and they ran all of the other competition out of business. Now that all their competition are dead they want to charge for it. If that doesn't scream antitrust I don't know what else does. Google has grown maps using pretty shady tactics. Their data is only so good due to mining data from all the Android users and I bet Street View has a lot of governme…

> When Google first launched Maps it was free and they ran all of the other competition out of business. Now that all their competition are dead they want to charge for it. Were there any significant competing maps APIs for the web in 2005? There may have been (and you seem so certain I'm sure you could name them all :P), but it's crazy to claim that there aren't far more competitors in the last 5 years than there we…

Certainly in the UK, online maps were dominated by two independent companies - Multimap and Streetmap - which were pretty much wiped out by Google. Multimap sold to Microsoft while Streetmap limps on, its UI barely changed.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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If a startup needs a giant system of subsidized roads for free or else they aren't profitable, they weren't ever profitable. You see where this argument leads to?

Is Google infrastructure now? Should we fund Google with tax money? Nationalize it?

No, although of course there is the point that a lot of Google's mapping data was subsidized with tax money by virtue of using the various geodata sources the U.S makes available for free to build on.
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