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Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by gorbachev »

woohoo7676 wrote: post #35

I work for a startup that has mapping/routing as one of its core needs - about a year or two ago we decided that our reliance on Google's mapping APIs was too great and decided to work on having a switchable backup provider in case something like this should ever happen. With auto complete especially, we would have had a 10-20x increase in pricing (and this is with an 'enterprise' plan pricing). As the article says,…

I'm curious about how the conversations between Google and customers went about this change.

I'm finding it really odd Google would just fuck their customers over this way. They must have known how it affects startups in particular. What were the conversations with Google like?

Just one-sided "This is the new price, take it or leave it!"? Or something else?

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by paulie_a »

ericd wrote: post #106
paulie_a wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never ever need to explain that you are not a lawyer on an internet post. you can outright claim you are a lawyer without any worries. Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice

Not worried about liability, just letting people know that there's a very good chance that I've completely misinterpreted the law. Maybe you're right and it's not useful.

There is never a reason to make the disclaimer that you are not a lawyer on the internet ever, this concept needs to die.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by gorbachev »

foobarbazetc wrote: post #173
bflesch wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get into trouble with your unit economics given such a raise, then you really need to think about your business model. How much value is your business really creating ON TOP of the maps? I don't want to be snarky, but I think many businesses don't think enough about this issue of value creation.

Name one business that can absorb a 20x increase in a component cost.

Google.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by vinnieman232 »

zylepe wrote: post #31

This talks mostly about road map tiles. Has anyone found any good options for satellite image tiles? Mapbox resells DigitalGlobe imagery but would cost over $1k/month for my site so I’m looking for an alternative with more attractive pricing options

Hi Zylepe! Disclosure, I work at Mapbox, but wanted to point you towards our Satellite Streets tiles which combine many different data sources (including DG), but also contain high-resolution flyover imagery in larger urban areas in the USA. https://www.mapbox.com/maps/satellite/

What did you use to calculate your $1k price/month estimate for your website?

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by igornadj »

megous wrote: post #75

> Google Maps is objectively the best product on its market, in many regards positioned light years ahead of its competitors. No. Google maps is an absolute, washed out turd style wise. We have much better local competitor. Compare this: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.081478,14.4272906,13z https://mapy.cz/zakladni?x=14.4068130&y=50.0892746&z=13 You can try various zoom levels, and mapy.cz is always better. Much more…

Personally, google maps is a clear-cut winner for me your example. Google maps is easier to look at and has much better information hierarchy.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by peterburkimsher »

megous wrote: post #86
megous wrote: post #75

> Google Maps is objectively the best product on its market, in many regards positioned light years ahead of its competitors. No. Google maps is an absolute, washed out turd style wise. We have much better local competitor. Compare this: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.081478,14.4272906,13z https://mapy.cz/zakladni?x=14.4068130&y=50.0892746&z=13 You can try various zoom levels, and mapy.cz is always better. Much more…

I could navigate the city with a map printed even at that zoom level, but good luck trying to do that with google maps. That's the single most important point for the map. I didn't consciously try to compare the maps before, but looking at the differences now, google maps seem thoughtless and completely random at what is highlighted, how parts of the city are named (some use names, some numbers, for no reason), what…

I prefer the old style of Google Maps, when roads were marked more clearly. I used MOBAC to get offline cached tiles and use them with Galileo on my iPhone and my own map app on my laptop.

There's a theme called OSM Bright that looks good, and when I figure out how to set it up, I plan to switch.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by paulie_a »

hedora wrote: post #214
paulie_a wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never ever need to explain that you are not a lawyer on an internet post. you can outright claim you are a lawyer without any worries. Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice

> Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice Saying things like that could get you disbarred.

I am not actually a lawyer, I am random dude on the internet, that was the point, there is absolutely no need for the disclaimer. I can literally claim to be be a lawyer, recommend extremely terrible advise and not have to worry. "Iamnal" is something that needs to die.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by DoreenMichele »

paulie_a wrote: post #267
hedora wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice Saying things like that could get you disbarred.

I am not actually a lawyer, I am random dude on the internet, that was the point, there is absolutely no need for the disclaimer. I can literally claim to be be a lawyer, recommend extremely terrible advise and not have to worry. "Iamnal" is something that needs to die.

Well, that's cool for you. But you are a relative newcomer here, at least your handle is (yes, pot, meet kettle -- but I've been here 9 years and quite a few people know that) and reputation, merit of the info, etc matters to quite a lot of the members here.

It matters in part because truth matters to a lot of people here. Actual reality matters to a lot of people here. It's a bunch of pedants.

And if you want to make it a habit of genuinely claiming to be a lawyer when you aren't and intentionally giving bad advice, you might eventually find that the mods will ban you for trolling.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by auslander »

hedora wrote: post #214
paulie_a wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never ever need to explain that you are not a lawyer on an internet post. you can outright claim you are a lawyer without any worries. Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice

> Cooking meth if you have a valid driver's license is actually legal, I am a lawyer this is legal advice Saying things like that could get you disbarred.

Possibly not. HN sits behind Cloudflare. Your SSL connection terminates at Cloudflare to plaintext, and new SSL connection to HN is created. Your login and password, IP and User-Agent and other bits, are in cleartext to Cloudflare.

Much less likely if you have VPN, did not give email and made random login/password. OPSec.

Re: Farewell, Google Maps

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Post by bonsai80 »

linsomniac wrote: post #65

I'm just finishing spinning up OpenStreetMap servers in EC2 as one of the last stages of our testing, and they look great. We almost went with Mapbox, which is probably a pretty good alternative. But as part of that move I decided to try OSM tiles and I had them up and running in an afternoon via a docker image, created an Ansible role for deploying virtual machines that evening, and had tiles for our region built th…

Thanks for the docker image pointers; just what I was looking form. What kind of traffic volume can you handle on what size VM's?
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