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How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Maybe you mean American corporations and people in power love space and their cars and the money they make off of selling and developing those things? For example, LA used to have a great train network for public transportation until the automobile industry made sure to tear it down so people would be forced to drive cars. In SF/BayArea people want zoning to change so there can be more housing/apartment buildings. Wh…

"America" doesn't consist of LA, NYC, and SF. There are a lot of people even in those places that don't want density but choose the environment because there are jobs, and there are jobs because so few people are willing to leave. (catch 22)

It's true that America isn't only New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, but those three areas do make up over 10% of the population, which is nothing to sneeze at.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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A lot of people don't want to live in the middle of cities. I don't understand why people who live in cities think everyone wants to live there. I want to own several acres of land to have room to do the things I want to do. I don't want to live in a condo where I have to be careful about noise levels and with no ability to have a big party at my house because of lack of room for the guests.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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What happens if/when you have kids. I’ve seen many people biking around Amsterdam with their kids in protective bike high seats. But this is unheard of in many US cities. Minivans are the usual solution. Would you teach them to take public transport or try to live within walking distance of everything? Obvs doesn’t apply if u don’t plan on it, but curious if anyone has found a solution in US cities.

I'm a parent to a one-and-a-half year old in New York City, and I grew up in a mid-sized midwestern city. I'm obviously biased, but I think we've got it much better off here. A block and a half away is one of the best playgrounds in the city, and three blocks the other direction is another fine playground. Both of them are packed with kids at all hours of the day. When we go visit family in the midwest, we make a poi…

I live in Seattle with a 2 year old and one more on the way. I can't believe I ever considered leaving the city to have kids. I can walk to a coffee shop 3 blocks away without taking 15 minutes to strap my kid in a car seat and the amount of parks we have access to in a short walk in incredible. We take the bus to the zoo and aquarium and my son loves seeing all the people and looking out the window.

Being out and about means I feel a real sense of community and have really gotten to know my neighbors.

When we see our friends from the suburbs its amazing how cooped up they are, how unlikely they are to leave the house, and how unattached they feel from their surroundings. Its too easy for them to play in their basement or yard.

Staying in the city has given me and my family a much higher quality of life.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Americans want to be "apart"! Most people in America see high-density living as a negative. Most want a yard and a garage. The country is huge - you can fit three UKs into the state of Texas alone. We have the space, we have the roads, we like our yards. I have moved our family into progressively rural environments and will continue to do so until the distance to basic necessities is intolerable. In most rural enviro…

Have you lived the alternative? It's obvious people are raised to want large houses and large yards, its cultural, but given we'd know the true experience of both would we still feel that way?

I've lived the big city, high density European lifestyle, I lived it in America too, and in Canada, and I've lived the American and Canadian small town life.

They're both nice. The small town life is great if the community is healthy, and there is a town core that is dense of businesses and shops which you can go to and walk around. It gives you access to nature and land in an unprecedented way. And the small population means you get a feel of community and know others, and events can be hosted on peoples properties.

If the town is struggling, its not that great, and can start to feel depressing and isolated.

The european city style is also great, it feels like a buzzing small town, minus the access to land and nature. The sense of community, knowing your neighbors, being proud and invested in your neighborhood. Being physically active. These are all there. Similar to how you can find that in prosperous small towns too.

In the end, I feel the choice between small town and European style cities is personal. If you prefer nature, enjoy quiet downtime, and peace, small town wins. If you prefer urban landscapes, a buzzing vibrant environment, and constant flux of activities and creativity, European cities would win.

That said, I'd be surprised if anyone prefers the American style cities and suburbs. Its like the worst of both worlds. You get a medium sized house, big enough that maintenance is a chore, yet too small to have the space for serious house endeavors. A yard, but too small to have it be a place to enjoy nature. Its not quiet, yet also not buzzing. It lacks creativity and the feeling of community, and everywhere is hard to get too, too far to walk, too crouded to drive.

That's what I think people complain about. I personally hate them with a passion.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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One thing I have always found odd is how no one talks about treating cars like guns.

Both have reasonable use cases. Both are fun to tinker with. Both are the main ways people kill other people. And you shouldn't need to use either daily in a civilized society.

That's not even talking about the rest of the problems mass car ownership creates, from climate change to destroying neighborhoods to the health crisis sitting instead of walking creates.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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"America" doesn't consist of LA, NYC, and SF. There are a lot of people even in those places that don't want density but choose the environment because there are jobs, and there are jobs because so few people are willing to leave. (catch 22)

It's true that America isn't only New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco, but those three areas do make up over 10% of the population, which is nothing to sneeze at.

While that is true, LA makes up a big portion of that "over 10%" hardly anyone in LA lives in anything remotely like high-density housing or lives there for much beyond the fantastic weather and job opportunities. Also, you don't do anything to address the parent comments point that plenty of people who live in higher-density areas would prefer to move to somewhere more rural, but can't because of life.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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Anecdotally, I am in Madison, WI and it would be feasible with kids in the right neighborhood here. Lots of bikes have little carriages for small children.

I doubt it’s feasible year round.

They also make bikes with wide tires now that perform admirably in snow. With the right gear, it's not too bad unless you are trying to ride through a foot of snow.

Re: How the Car Keeps Americans Apart

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I hope the first HN comment is always a book suggestion. :) I recently got rid of my car after four years of living in a city. I don't know why I held onto it for so long, but my life has improved dramatically. Not only can I go anywhere I want, but I never have to worry about permits, tickets, or parking. This lifestyle can't work for people outside of cities, though. There's no way to get anyplace without a car, an…

There's also Turo, which seems similar to Getaround by your description, as well as hourly rentals through Zipcar. And the established rental players like Hertz and Enterprise have started trying to emulate the smaller startups with flexible locations and hourly billing. And there's always Uber. My lease is up next year and I can't wait to get rid of my car. I won't be replacing it. My car payment is rather high, but…

Uber with car seats for 4 kids is a pain. With kids, a car provides a “base” for when you go out — you can carry everything you need without having to tote it all around once you arrive at the destination. Public transport for older kids is fine, but with small kids, it’s a nightmare, especially in NY where apparently only a few subway stops have elevators and they’re generally filled with piss.
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