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Re: Supersharp Images from New VLT Adaptive Optics

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I'm a PhD student working with data of globular clusters from this instrument for quite some time now. I will be happy to answer your questions!

Can you tell us about your favourite globular clusters? I know some of them have very interesting properties like having similar stellar ages but are there any really peculiar ones you can tell us about? Also, I'd love to see some of the images your referring to. Thanks!

I like NGC 3201 because we found a stellar mass black hole in it (https://www.eso.org/public/news/eso1802/). There should be many more of them in all clusters, but they are hard to find. Theorists can use this to check their N-body simulations of globular clusters.

Some clusters (omega Cen, 47 Tuc) are really weird and different from all others. We think that they might be the remnant cores of dwarf galaxies.

What images do you mean?

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This is very exciting. I'd love to see some of this make its way into amature equipment. Technology has helped us go past what would have been though of as possible with similar optics equipment 50 years ago. For the most part, optical mirrors and lenses are the same but what we can now do with them has changed quite a bit. For example, here is a video of Mars through a small telescope: http://i.imgur.com/8juHPdn.gif…

Uh, there is much more than that, if you feel fancy, you can reverse the distortion in each frame and "fix" the atmospheric issues given sufficient SNR. Unfortunately this is not enough for dark stars with reasonable sized optics... See the work here and the comparison to Lucky Imaging using iirc. Avistack: https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/49...

Thank you for the link, there that is one hell of a reference. Please share more if you have any others handy.

I wonder how much of that work would be generalizable through specialized neural nets: https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.00403

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Are the images natural colour, or have they been 'enhanced' in any way? i.e. is Neptune really that blue?

I see this question a lot. I used to have an obsession with 'true color'; images felt fake otherwise. Artificial. I'm a working scientist now, and my view has changed. I realize how limited our senses are. How much of the world--of the universe--I'd miss by restricting it to just what my eyes can see natively. Even among colors that I can see, but perhaps the signal is too faint ... I'm a lot more tolerant of color-m…

It's a real eye-opener when you realize that our eyes are no more "true color" than a CCD... I didn't really get that until I took a graduate optical observing class.

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I think the beauty is lost on me when I don't know what the color means. I either want the real deal or to know what the mapping is so I can appreciate that. Otherwise it's just a pretty picture.

> or to know what the mapping is Agreed! This is important. Scale bars would be nice too, as well as info on other pre-/post-processing. Usually all this is in an associated publication (which is hopefully freely available), since it usually takes a surprising amount of information to fully understand an image like this. > beauty is lost on me > pretty picture Pick one ;) Sometimes we can find things beautiful withou…

I think it boils down to two things (at least it does for me):

- If the picture is shown as if it was a photo, how similar is it to what I'd see if I were magically transported in a spacesuit into object's vicinity?

- If the picture is an obvious false-color render, does it have a reasonable color map, or some "artist's impression"?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the images natural colour, or have they been 'enhanced' in any way? i.e. is Neptune really that blue?

I see this question a lot. I used to have an obsession with 'true color'; images felt fake otherwise. Artificial. I'm a working scientist now, and my view has changed. I realize how limited our senses are. How much of the world--of the universe--I'd miss by restricting it to just what my eyes can see natively. Even among colors that I can see, but perhaps the signal is too faint ... I'm a lot more tolerant of color-m…

Alex Grey studied cadavers at Harvard for years. His art tries to show the true medium, not one limited by visible light. Sort of like what Superman might see. Our bodies are emanating light in a spectrum of frequencies (Planks law.) All this light is leaving our bodies at C, whiles all the light from the universe is coming at us, our "light cone." We see the surface of bodies..but the actual substance of reality has interfering rippling waves emanating and being absorbed..not unlike a pool. So the next time someone tells you someone is ugly, remember that the visible light surface is just the beginning..

https://m.alexgrey.com/art/paintings/soul/alex_grey_humming_...

Re: Supersharp Images from New VLT Adaptive Optics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this question a lot. I used to have an obsession with 'true color'; images felt fake otherwise. Artificial. I'm a working scientist now, and my view has changed. I realize how limited our senses are. How much of the world--of the universe--I'd miss by restricting it to just what my eyes can see natively. Even among colors that I can see, but perhaps the signal is too faint ... I'm a lot more tolerant of color-m…

Alex Grey studied cadavers at Harvard for years. His art tries to show the true medium, not one limited by visible light. Sort of like what Superman might see. Our bodies are emanating light in a spectrum of frequencies (Planks law.) All this light is leaving our bodies at C, whiles all the light from the universe is coming at us, our "light cone." We see the surface of bodies..but the actual substance of reality has…

The artist of drawings for Scientific American for many years made his drawings super-real by emphasizing components of interest. And these were black-and-white.

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> The correction algorithm is then optimized ... to reach an image quality almost as good as with a natural guide star. Then why not use natural guide stars?

Because they have to be very bright and very close to the target. This limits the observable targets quite a lot (we don't want to observe something, but specific targets for most projects).

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Uh, there is much more than that, if you feel fancy, you can reverse the distortion in each frame and "fix" the atmospheric issues given sufficient SNR. Unfortunately this is not enough for dark stars with reasonable sized optics... See the work here and the comparison to Lucky Imaging using iirc. Avistack: https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/49...

Thank you for the link, there that is one hell of a reference. Please share more if you have any others handy. I wonder how much of that work would be generalizable through specialized neural nets: https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.00403

Err, this is far from neural networks. I once tried to combine it with some thing that can do the optimization faster, so that I could make it a tree structure (as to prevent feedback form amplifying iteratively, kind of like how you need to be careful that your GAN doesn't start doing dog pictures instead of cat pictures), and run the images that compromise a tree against the best guess of it's sibling tree, as well as vice versa, before using these new estimates of the distortion to get a new best guess from all images contained by the parent of these sibling trees. Repeat until you reach the top. You can use more than one sibling to handle non-power-of-two framecounts. There is partial software on my Github, in case someone is interested I can be reached, and while working for free isn't really in my interested (other things make more fun/seem more promising), I'd be happy to start working on it again if there was a reason.

Regarding your paper, I have to remind you that Michael got nice results from upsampling the images before running his software. I actually planned on using the texture units for this, to save on bandwidth/address calculation overhead in the pending partial rewrite of my software. The GAN there also uses just a single frame, whereas this uses the properties of the distribution of the distortions when seen in the frequency domain to figure out how the distortions are most likely, and then combines the SNR from the many frames to a single image. There is research using a method very similar to Michael's with a GPU, GTX 580 or so iirc, which does >15 fps @720p in real time, with less than 2 frames latency and no more than 1 frame necessary latency if you run the GPU work queues rather empty (risking underutilisation if you don't get CPU time fast enough again). Combine with e.g. a nice Volta DGX, and something like a 400mm Schmidt camera including a field flattening lens and a CMOSIS CMV12000 (like, take the sensor out of an AXIOM beta camera, shrink the board around it to the smallest you can get, and stick it with a lens on top facing a 20 cm spherical mirror, with a corrective plate ~80cm from the mirror. This is about ~1000$ optics, 2500$ image hardware (including that necessary to get the full stream at >100 fps into the DGX), and whatever rent you pay for the DGX. Distortion free 10x slow motion with a pixel size of 14mm at 1km distance.

If you'd want to sell such a thing to non-military...

[0]: KIM, Dongmin; SRA, Suvrit; DHILLON, Inderjit S. A non-monotonic method for large-scale non-negative least squares. Optimization Methods and Software, 2013, 28. Jg., Nr. 5, S. 1012-1039. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/622c/84cfba9781ad846105f28d...

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