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Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by IlGrigiore »

ailideex wrote: post #39

So on their landing page - they say "We are cookie-free" - but they put these values in localstorage: h_user: 9019..... user: {"isLogged":false,"error":false,"userSetting":{"searchRegionKey":"GB","searchMode":0,"safeSearch":1,"enableSuggest":true,"targetBlank":true,"showTrends":1,"showSmartNews":true,"showSmartVideos":true,"showSmartSocial":true,"selectTheme":0,"showFavicon":true,"continentKey":"WESTERNEUROPE","searc…

But those are just cookies related to the functionality and the personalization of the search page. I guess they could have written that they do not have any tracking cookies, but I guess the intent was to be clear to the average user: "we are cookie free", therefore we do not track you.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by ChrisSD »

IlGrigiore wrote: post #41
ailideex wrote: post #39

So on their landing page - they say "We are cookie-free" - but they put these values in localstorage: h_user: 9019..... user: {"isLogged":false,"error":false,"userSetting":{"searchRegionKey":"GB","searchMode":0,"safeSearch":1,"enableSuggest":true,"targetBlank":true,"showTrends":1,"showSmartNews":true,"showSmartVideos":true,"showSmartSocial":true,"selectTheme":0,"showFavicon":true,"continentKey":"WESTERNEUROPE","searc…

But those are just cookies related to the functionality and the personalization of the search page. I guess they could have written that they do not have any tracking cookies, but I guess the intent was to be clear to the average user: "we are cookie free", therefore we do not track you.

Why don't they just say "we do not track you". That's accurate (hopefully) and clear to everybody.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

ChrisSD wrote: post #43
IlGrigiore wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But those are just cookies related to the functionality and the personalization of the search page. I guess they could have written that they do not have any tracking cookies, but I guess the intent was to be clear to the average user: "we are cookie free", therefore we do not track you.

Why don't they just say "we do not track you". That's accurate (hopefully) and clear to everybody.

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Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

#45

Post by m3nu »

drngdds wrote: post #42

Searx seems like the best option in this space, since you can host your own instance and avoid having to trust anyone (except the developers, assuming you didn't audit the code yourself).

Sadly Searx is just a scraper for Google and some others. So it doesn't give you any real freedom. Popular instances also get blocked now and then.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

#46

Post by userbinator »

gaellelo wrote: post #36
novaRom wrote: post #3

From their privacy policy: "When you install Vivaldi browser, each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the…

Hey, here's Gaëlle Medeiros-Logeay, Data Protection Officer at Vivaldi. The data we collect is not personally identifiable, and we try to keep it as minimal as possible. :) We're not in the business of collecting data, and we do not sell them to advertisers like others do. The collected data helps us to understand where most of our users come from. Our stats show us which country our users are located in and nothing…

The collected data helps us to understand where most of our users come from.

You can simply log the downloads. I have no problem with that.

Can we please stop with the whole phoning-home trend? It's scary that such things have even become acceptable.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

#47

Post by userbinator »

hawski wrote: post #16
onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

Firefox is developed by a for-profit corporation the Mozilla Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. It's of course not to say that the Mozilla Corporation is an evil profit seeker, but merely a perspective. I for one think that modern web standards are used by most web site authors not in users interests. Therefore implementing those standards in good faith not necessarily mean imp…

I just would like to see an user agent dedicated to users, not standards. Even if it would mean omitting JS and most of CSS. I would use it for information seeking and Firefox for necessary web apps.

Look at Dillo and Netsurf.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by unpopular42 »

gaellelo wrote: post #36
novaRom wrote: post #3

From their privacy policy: "When you install Vivaldi browser, each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the…

Hey, here's Gaëlle Medeiros-Logeay, Data Protection Officer at Vivaldi. The data we collect is not personally identifiable, and we try to keep it as minimal as possible. :) We're not in the business of collecting data, and we do not sell them to advertisers like others do. The collected data helps us to understand where most of our users come from. Our stats show us which country our users are located in and nothing…

> The data we collect is not personally identifiable, and we try to keep it as minimal as possible. :)

Hey Gaëlle!

Huh? Unique ID + /24 + screen resolution is the opposite of "not personally identifiable". You may not use it that way yet, but that's only because no one applied enough incentive or force yet.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

#49

Post by morganvachon »

onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

Firefox is becoming more user hostile with each revision, though. I've been using Waterfox as a more privacy-conscious alternative, but long term I'd like to see a new, fully open source, privacy focused, user-first browser that doesn't phone home for any reason. Waterfox is 99% there, but I feel the developer is having issues moving it to the Firefox Quantum release due to all the extra crap Mozilla shoveled into that release.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by lucideer »

morganvachon wrote: post #49
onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

Firefox is becoming more user hostile with each revision, though. I've been using Waterfox as a more privacy-conscious alternative, but long term I'd like to see a new, fully open source, privacy focused, user-first browser that doesn't phone home for any reason. Waterfox is 99% there, but I feel the developer is having issues moving it to the Firefox Quantum release due to all the extra crap Mozilla shoveled into th…

> the Firefox Quantum release [...] all the extra crap Mozilla shoveled into that release.

Hadn't heard about extra user-hostile stuff in this release? What things are the Waterfox guys having trouble with?

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