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Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by skrebbel »

jorvi wrote: post #81
skrebbel wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a father of two and a startup founder. I like Detroit techno, and all relevant events _begin_ at 1 AM. The solution isn't a startup, the solution is techno parties that start at 9 PM.

In The Netherlands some (not all, but a decent chunk) techno events have moved from a 21:00-07:00ish to a 12:00-01:00ish timetable. It works out quite lovely because one can attend without completely messing up their daily rhythm. And if you do like to burn the midnight oil there’s always the afterparty/ies :)

Yeah true! The one day dance festivals really got the message here. Those are lovely. But the clubs etc really don't (I'm in NL too).

I wish all of Europe had English pub/club opening hours. I mean it's not like the English party (or drink) less than us here on the continent. They just start earlier. That makes a lot of sense!

In hindsight I was jetlagged twice a week just by moving forward and back my biorhythm every weekend, during much of my youth. That was unhealthy and totally unnecessary if only party times were more sane.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by rusk »

sverige wrote: post #97
rusk wrote: post #91

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> it was something different Grunge?

Yeah, that was the media's name for it. I never heard people call it that until the magazines and tv used the term. That lumped in a bunch of stuff, from Queensryche to Soundgarden to Nirvana to Mudhoney.

As a 90s kid living on the other side of the Atlantic that was my name for it too. The proliferation of the "Seattle Scene" was very much a product of MTV and 90s culture. I guess it's more of a cultural category than a musical one, but then again you could say the same thing about punk!

EDIT it actually comes to mind that I've also heard Grunge referred to as "Post Punk"

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by matt_the_bass »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #67

Any recommendations of cross-cultural punk/metal bands? Taiwanese: 滅火器 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOgNLY8nDxQ http://www.chthonic.tw Mongolian: 九大圣器 Nine Treasures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PfYfmoEo 杭盖乐队 Hanggai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nf1HKQNuQQ Norwegian: http://www.folk-metal.nl Celtic: https://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.tw

French: Mano negre, louis attaque

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by metakermit »

darkandbrooding wrote: post #16

Almost thirty years ago now, driving around on a hot summer day with a couple of friends. One guy puts a punk mix tape in the player, and the guy with a college music scholarship was aesthetically offended. "Anyone could make this music," he complained. The other guy nodded in agreement and replied, "that's the point."

A beautiful sentiment :) I believe this should apply to tech as well – it shouldn't be an exclusive field and building logical apps should be simple. That's kind of why I chose to brand my freelance business as Punk Rock Dev.

https://punkrockdev.com/

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by CPLX »

a-dub wrote: post #69
andyidsinga wrote: post #48

related -- this is an interesting read on sub-cultures and how (in the author's opinion) they are co-opted over time: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths excerpt: Subcultures were the main creative cultural force from roughly 1975 to 2000, when they stopped working. Why? One reason—among several—is that as soon as subcultures start getting really interesting, they get invaded by muggles, who ruin them. Subc…

It's an interesting piece, but it seems like sorts of things people would say when we actually had subcultures. I often wrack my brain trying to think, what changed... Was it the Internet sucking a lot of the money out of the music industry? Was it the aging out of GenX? Was it the long term structural effects of the GFC, with the shrinking of the middle class and the subsequent capital booms that QE created? Was it…

I blame smartphones.

The dominant feature of youth used to be relentless, neverending, soul crushing boredom.

If you were creative you would do almost anything to escape that boredom. Make something, write a song, create an event. Anything.

Now nobody is bored anymore. Maybe existentially but not in a literal minute to minute sense.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by leetcrew »

skrebbel wrote: post #75
bfuller wrote: post #64

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>t's hard to reconcile a late-hours youth culture with responsible 9-5 job culture I'm a founder at a startup trying to address this problem.

I'm a father of two and a startup founder. I like Detroit techno, and all relevant events _begin_ at 1 AM. The solution isn't a startup, the solution is techno parties that start at 9 PM.

maybe my lameness is showing, but why do people do this? even as a teenager I was usually running out of steam and thinking about bed at that time. is it for people who work late shifts or are there superhumans out there pregaming all night for a 1 AM show? or do they not even start partying until 10/11 PM?

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by samatman »

skrebbel wrote: post #101
jorvi wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In The Netherlands some (not all, but a decent chunk) techno events have moved from a 21:00-07:00ish to a 12:00-01:00ish timetable. It works out quite lovely because one can attend without completely messing up their daily rhythm. And if you do like to burn the midnight oil there’s always the afterparty/ies :)

Yeah true! The one day dance festivals really got the message here. Those are lovely. But the clubs etc really don't (I'm in NL too). I wish all of Europe had English pub/club opening hours. I mean it's not like the English party (or drink) less than us here on the continent. They just start earlier. That makes a lot of sense! In hindsight I was jetlagged twice a week just by moving forward and back my biorhythm ever…

The solution as a youth was the "Disco nap", but I find myself less capable of it now. If I go down at 7 pm on a Friday, it's for the count.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by drcode »

dvdcxn wrote: post #94
singingfish wrote: post #85

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I saw Nirvana kind of before they were famous too (first British tour). Am I right in thinking they were kind of unmemorable, or was it just that I had other things on my mind at that gig?

Bleach wasn't a very strong album, imo.

IDK, I kind of felt that way too when I heard it after it came out and I started off as a Nirvana skeptic.. but nowadays when I listen to it again there was really some interesting and unique stuff on it.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by overcast »

jghn wrote: post #20
overcast wrote: post #15

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Hell yes, QE2 was a hole, but legendary in that area. SO many weekends spent there in my teenage years.

College for me but I spent a lot of time at the QE2. Awesome place

I HOPE you came back for the Section 8 double night reunion a few years ago! They completely sold out back to back nights at Northern Lights.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Post by overcast »

electricslpnsld wrote: post #30
overcast wrote: post #11

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Albany area. Tons of good of hardcore bands came out of that scene.

Any bands from that scene or imprints worth checking out? I remember seeing some upstate bands from Syracuse/Rochester/Buffalo when they'd do east coast tours, but I'm blanking on Albany acts! Was Albany hardcore big on the sxe/vegan thing at that time?

Section 8 is the big one you should know, these were our gods. EVERYONE listened to them growing up. Albums Pain is Truth, and Nine Ways to Say I Love You. The latter is required listening.

Here are the two reunion nights recorded! I'm in there somewhere!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO9wB1sUEUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWMC75WgUA

Eh, there were some people with the straight edge stuff, the singer of One King Down was big on it, but that wasn't the scene.

--Must listen to--

Cutthroat (HateBreedsRage)

One King Down

Withstand

DyingTaLive

The Clay People

--Other notable--

Straightjacket

Wrath

Skinless

End of Line

Stigmata

Politics of Contraband

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