Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe • Hacker News Board

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by rhabarba » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:09 AM UTC

onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

Have you noticed that Mozilla Firefox has started to become a tracking device?

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/16/16784628/mozilla-mr-robo...

German-specific: https://blog.mozilla.org/press-de/2017/10/06/ein-neues-cliqz...

Oh, yes, they were deeply sorry about it. I'm sure that Google would be as well.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by tenpo » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:11 AM UTC

novaRom wrote: post #3

From their privacy policy: "When you install Vivaldi browser, each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the…

Is there a way to opt-out or disable this telemetry? Under privacy laws isn't Vivaldi supposed to give users a choice: whether they want to be tracked or not?

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by TomK32 » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:12 AM UTC

I've been using Qwant for half a year now and like it a lot.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by sheldor » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:15 AM UTC

vntok wrote: post #18

thecopy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But how how they identify me?

Statistically, if they geolocate you once per 24h, they will find you either at home or at work. Once both locations are known, determining which is which does not strike me as very hard.

Yeap. When I got my first android phone Google needed one roundtrip to determine where I live and work.

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by Raed667 » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:18 AM UTC

I have been using Qwant for a couple of months now, overall it gets to the point, but I find myself using "!g" quite often (which is also the case with duckduckgo ..

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by drchaos » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:20 AM UTC

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #10

onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

More to the point, it's closed-source.

Not open source per OSI criteria, however they claim the source is available and can be inspected:

https://help.vivaldi.com/article/is-vivaldi-open-source/

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by threatofrain » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:27 AM UTC

How is Qwant advantageous over DuckDuckGo?

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by UncleSlacky » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:27 AM UTC

scns wrote: post #12

Tried it for some time, got annoyed pretty fast by the tabloidheadlines they include into the page. Switched back to duckduckgo

Did you try the "Lite" version?

https://lite.qwant.com/

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by plop_ » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:28 AM UTC

scns wrote: post #12

Tried it for some time, got annoyed pretty fast by the tabloidheadlines they include into the page. Switched back to duckduckgo

I agree, but they also provide a lite page (should be the default).

https://lite.qwant.com/

Re: Vivaldi now includes Qwant, a privacy-focused search engine based in Europe

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Post by dao- » Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:29 AM UTC

hawski wrote: post #16

onyva wrote: post #7

Stick with Mozilla Firefox. Don’t understand why people still believe a for-profit Corp will prioritize users rights. ... not to mention Brendan Eich’s divisive and controversial behavior befor he was forced out of Mozilla.

Firefox is developed by a for-profit corporation the Mozilla Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. It's of course not to say that the Mozilla Corporation is an evil profit seeker, but merely a perspective. I for one think that modern web standards are used by most web site authors not in users interests. Therefore implementing those standards in good faith not necessarily mean imp…

> Firefox is developed by a for-profit corporation the Mozilla Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. It's of course not to say that the Mozilla Corporation is an evil profit seeker, but merely a perspective.

"wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation" is the more important part here, because the Foundation is nonprofit and eventually has authority over the corporation, so the latter can't decide on its own to sell out.

The corporation needs to be able to make a profit not as an end in itself but to make strategic savings in case things get more rough with Google.