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Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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>t's hard to reconcile a late-hours youth culture with responsible 9-5 job culture I'm a founder at a startup trying to address this problem.

I'm a father of two and a startup founder. I like Detroit techno, and all relevant events _begin_ at 1 AM. The solution isn't a startup, the solution is techno parties that start at 9 PM.

In The Netherlands some (not all, but a decent chunk) techno events have moved from a 21:00-07:00ish to a 12:00-01:00ish timetable. It works out quite lovely because one can attend without completely messing up their daily rhythm. And if you do like to burn the midnight oil there’s always the afterparty/ies :)

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Almost thirty years ago now, driving around on a hot summer day with a couple of friends. One guy puts a punk mix tape in the player, and the guy with a college music scholarship was aesthetically offended. "Anyone could make this music," he complained. The other guy nodded in agreement and replied, "that's the point."

The other thing about punk is that it's really more an attitude. Some punks are really skilled musicians and lyricists that bring a lot of outside influence into their music.

I got into playing the accordion because I decided that I wanted to learn some Dead Kennedys songs on the accordion (no I am not duckmandu). Some of them are quite tricky. Compare to the Sex Pistols who are musically boring but more than made up for it with the attitude and lyrics.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Any recommendations of cross-cultural punk/metal bands? Taiwanese: 滅火器 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOgNLY8nDxQ http://www.chthonic.tw Mongolian: 九大圣器 Nine Treasures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PfYfmoEo 杭盖乐队 Hanggai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nf1HKQNuQQ Norwegian: http://www.folk-metal.nl Celtic: https://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.tw

Brasilian : Ratos de Porao http://www.ratosdeporao.org

Spanish : Soziedad Alkoholika http://www.soziedadalkoholika.com

French : La Dent Noire https://ladentnoire.org/ (<- my band !)

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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I feel like live music in general is at a low point right now that I've never seen it at since I started paying attention in the '80s. I'm in England at the moment, and for the last several years all the band listings I see at bars are for one of the ten thousand "Tribute to the Mildly Popular Band from the 70s/80s". So if I want the Thin Lizzy experience or the Foreigner/Journey experience or the genuine-in-case-you…

Older people are still going to gigs, they have plenty of disposable income and they want to see the stuff they grew up with. Younger people have many more options for making and sharing music.

If you were born in 2000, starting a rock band seems a bit retro - you might do it if you're into that sort of thing, but you might prefer to play solo gigs with a looper or do weird ambient stuff with modular synths on YouTube. There's no shortage of talented young musicians, they're just doing things differently.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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post #26

Ok, I'm old and got into punk in the late 70s. Never lived in a place with a really big active scene until Seattle in the late 80s / early 90s, but honestly that wasn't punk per se, it was something different. More rock than punk, I would say. Feel free to disagree. The Bellingham Bash in 1990 or 91 had a good vibe, though, and I saw Nirvana at Squid Row for a dollar before they got famous. I think the point is that…

I saw Nirvana kind of before they were famous too (first British tour). Am I right in thinking they were kind of unmemorable, or was it just that I had other things on my mind at that gig?

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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Any recommendations of cross-cultural punk/metal bands? Taiwanese: 滅火器 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOgNLY8nDxQ http://www.chthonic.tw Mongolian: 九大圣器 Nine Treasures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa7PfYfmoEo 杭盖乐队 Hanggai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nf1HKQNuQQ Norwegian: http://www.folk-metal.nl Celtic: https://celticfolkpunk.blogspot.tw

Australian chainsaw folk: http://www.crookedfiddleband.com/

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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post #45

One of the interesting thing about these underground music movements from hip hop to punk is the DIY ethos for the creation of music, publications, performance spaces, and more. Adults and respectable companies aren't helping (for the most part) so the kids have to direct and make things on their own. I think it's not a coincidence that many people who get involved in underground music movements later start successfu…

There's a difference between consumption and creation that is easily seen and displayed in aesthetic and cultural choices. It also seems to affect attitude towards employment and economics.

McKenna summed up the evolution from passive, introspective subcultures when he observed that "we're not dropping out here, we're infiltrating and taking over".

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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post #68

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Spotify has a couple of playlists that might help OP learn a bit more about the genre: The Road to Punk Rock: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWU0... Complete Chaos: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX1f... Punk Unleashed: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXdJ... Skatepark Punks: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX3M... New P…

Do you think The Road to Punk Rock playlist makes sense? It has some punk staples (Ramones, The Clash, etc.), but also blues, rock-n-roll, and even an old school country song.

As much as I love The Ramones, they’re pop punk, as is all but early Clash (whom I also love and saw live in 1982).

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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post #69

related -- this is an interesting read on sub-cultures and how (in the author's opinion) they are co-opted over time: https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths excerpt: Subcultures were the main creative cultural force from roughly 1975 to 2000, when they stopped working. Why? One reason—among several—is that as soon as subcultures start getting really interesting, they get invaded by muggles, who ruin them. Subc…

It's an interesting piece, but it seems like sorts of things people would say when we actually had subcultures. I often wrack my brain trying to think, what changed... Was it the Internet sucking a lot of the money out of the music industry? Was it the aging out of GenX? Was it the long term structural effects of the GFC, with the shrinking of the middle class and the subsequent capital booms that QE created? Was it…

>I often wrack my brain trying to think, what changed...

A subculture can only exist if there's a barrier to entry. Commodification, globalisation and social liberalism eroded those barriers.

In their day, hippies and punks paid a real social price for their subcultural identity - they outraged society and were marginalised for it. If you wanted to be a mod in the 60s, you needed money and cultural capital to get the right clothes, the right records, the right scooter.

The Wigan Casino and the Twisted Wheel formed a nucleus for the Northern Soul subculture, because they were the only place you could hear rare soul records. Carnaby Street and the King's Road formed the nucleus for the mod scene, because they were the only place you could buy tonic suits and winkle picker shoes.

Streaming has democratised access to new and obscure music. Retailers like H&M have democratised access to the latest fashions. Social media has democratised access to cultural capital. A new trend can spread globally within a matter of weeks, diluting any possibility of it spawning a subculture. There's very little that a teenager could wear or listen to that is genuinely shocking. Without a barrier to entry, there is no subculture, just culture.

There are two thriving youth subcultures, they just don't fit our idea of what a youth subculture is supposed to look like - the social justice movement and the alt-right. There's a social cost to holding extreme political views, which prevents these subcultures from being absorbed into the cultural mainstream. Your parents probably won't disown you if you dye your hair purple, get a neck tattoo or listen to Merzbow. They might well disown you if you start saying that all white men are complicit in rape culture or that Hitler had a point.

Re: Why punk keeps connecting people across space and time

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other thing about punk is that it's really more an attitude. Some punks are really skilled musicians and lyricists that bring a lot of outside influence into their music.

NOFX's El Hefe and Bad Religion's Greg Graffin come to mind, respectively in your sentence.

Was just reading parent comment and thinking “we don’t play ska anymore, we don’t play ska anymore, because it sucks”

Punk is so interesting in his variations. Compare with metal where speed, black, alternative etc are quite coded and baroque, whereas punk still manages to stat fresh.

I think while there are plenty genre that requires more skill than punk, that doesn’t make punk itself the musical equivalent of simpleton.

In some aspects, it’s the artigianal counterpart of the mass produced pop.

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