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The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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Thank you, I wasn’t quite sure. As a native English speaker who has learned French, I’ve often run into “faux amis”. Perhaps the most embarrassing was “préservatifs”, which I expected to mean preservatives but actually meant condoms.

Ooh, yes, that one must have been embarrassing indeed :-) "Préservatif" is such a weird euphemism.

“Prophylactic” is no less bizarre.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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Ooh, yes, that one must have been embarrassing indeed :-) "Préservatif" is such a weird euphemism.

“Prophylactic” is no less bizarre.

Wow TIL. I have a medical background, so I'm familiar with the "preventive" meaning, but I wasn't aware of the "contraceptive" one.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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I naturally like to conserve energy and eat sugar but I can motivate myself to move and eat healthy to the point it becomes more natural. I think people are naturally predisposed to certain behaviors but it's not a sealed fate. Diet, exercise and environment might even be more dominant factors.

Having setup my life so I can simply sleep and rise naturally I'm living a perfectly normal and happy life - more productive than ever. There is nothing wrong with me and its not a terrible "fate". What is terrible is that we don't accept that some people have different sleep schedules.

Yeah, absolutely nothing wrong with being who you are. But I think there's nothing wrong with people who change their diet, exercise, environment, etc. to develop a new habit.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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Having setup my life so I can simply sleep and rise naturally I'm living a perfectly normal and happy life - more productive than ever. There is nothing wrong with me and its not a terrible "fate". What is terrible is that we don't accept that some people have different sleep schedules.

Yeah, absolutely nothing wrong with being who you are. But I think there's nothing wrong with people who change their diet, exercise, environment, etc. to develop a new habit.

Its not a "habit", its hard-coded and there is strong evidence that forcing your sleep schedule to change has negative health consequences. Underlying all this is an insinuation that if you just eat better and exercised you'd wake up at a normal time. Night owls do get exercise and eat healthily. This advice never seems to be applied to early risers, it comes from a cultural perception of night owls as defective.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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I think the problem I have with perfectionism, is that in a fairly connected world of 7+ billion people, the people that get "acclaim" are truly some of the most talented/lucky/good people in the world. You never see mediocrity anymore, everyone has curated Instagram and Facebook feeds of their best moments. If you do see it, it's the process of something like America's Got Talent where it's laughed at. Dave Grohl of…

Solution: Stop watching TV and stop following celebrities and social media. They call it TV programming for a reason.

Not everyone is curating profiles, not everyone cares what other people are doing, not everybody wants to be told what to think from someone else.

But you will never know if you don't turn that shit off and start to do what you want to do without fear.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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I don't think I've met too many untalented perfectionist, I'm sure they exist though (feels like an unfortunate combo). I just feel talent is orthogonal to perfectionism.

> I don't think I've met too many untalented perfectionist, I'm sure they exist though (feels like an unfortunate combo). I just feel talent is orthogonal to perfectionism. Don't these two sentences contradict each other? Taking 'orthogonal' to be loosely synonymous with 'uncorrelated', if they were so, then you would expect to see roughly the same number of untalented perfectionists as talented ones.

The way a wrote that you most certainly have a point!

In my mind I had an explanation for that. I realize that I mainly hang out with people that I went to university with (since I moved to a new city to study) as well as collegues (which also have higher than average education).

And I figured that untalented perfectionists would have a hard time enjoying/coping with higher education and thus possibly quite underrepresented in my social circles.

Anecdotally, from what little I've spent thinking on this, my experience seem to match that (untalented perfectionists are generally not well educated).

That was my theory/reasoning at least.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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Ooh, yes, that one must have been embarrassing indeed :-) "Préservatif" is such a weird euphemism.

“Prophylactic” is no less bizarre.

> “Prophylactic” is no less bizarre.

Isn't it (less bizarre)? My dictionary gives the medical meaning of prophylactic as "intended to prevent disease"; using it to refer to contraception just requires a more generous conception of 'disease'.

By contrast, if 'préservatif' in French were translated to 'preservative' in English, it would mean, again according to my dictionary, "a substance used to preserve … against decay." I find it a bit more of a stretch to generalise this to pregnancy.

On the other hand, maybe it is just my English-speaker-ness showing through that I can think of pregnancy much more easily as a disease (it literally causes dis-ease …) than as decay.

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If you're insulting a plausible opposing opinion as disrespectful, you should be backing up your claim with facts. You suggested that people are "naturally" night owls, the other side suggests that nightowlism may be caused by lifestyle choices and that many night owls are unaware of this causality. There is nothing disrespectful about either side of the argument, both are just hypotheses at this point (and a bit of…

There is evidence of a genetic cause for night owlism: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121116124551.h... Further nobody questions the legitimacy of "early risers" and blames it on lifestyle. In fact most consider it a positive and something to aspire to. When you go your whole life having to dispel the initial impression of laziness due to your natural sleep rythmn it becomes personal. I'm fortunate tha…

> Further nobody questions the legitimacy of "early risers" and blames it on lifestyle.

Because being an early riser is adaptive. We're not at all well adapted to operating at night given our sensory apparatus, we're quite well adapted to operate in daylight.

Furthermore, humans aren't genetically predetermined creatures, it's entirely possible to change virtually all of our behaviours and inclinations with the right environmental changes.

Even if being a nightowl were adaptive at one point, that doesn't mean it's adaptive now, and a maladaptive behaviour needs correcting if you want to function in modern society.

> When you go your whole life having to dispel the initial impression of laziness due to your natural sleep rythmn it becomes personal.

Don't go pushing your personal prejudice on a factual discussion. No one here called "nightowls" lazy.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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I think the problem I have with perfectionism, is that in a fairly connected world of 7+ billion people, the people that get "acclaim" are truly some of the most talented/lucky/good people in the world. You never see mediocrity anymore, everyone has curated Instagram and Facebook feeds of their best moments. If you do see it, it's the process of something like America's Got Talent where it's laughed at. Dave Grohl of…

graduate school has been crushing in this way.

Re: The intolerable rise of perfectionism

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I'm not sure it does. Their "natural" habits aren't necessarily all that natural either. For all you know, a diet change really did correct an underlying issue causing the strange habit.

We're talking about 1/5th of the population suffering needlessly. The comment I replied to merely reinforces the stereotype that there is something wrong with them - "If only you lived better you would get to sleep at a normal time". On its own, its great they have improved their life. But in context its disrespectful.

> The comment I replied to merely reinforces the stereotype that there is something wrong with them - "If only you lived better you would get to sleep at a normal time".

The comment you replied to neither said or implied anything of the sort. He merely conveyed a personal anecdote of an environmental change that allowed a self-identified night owl to function well on a daylight schedule. What's so offensive about that?

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