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IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

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Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#11
post #3

You know a company is in its last legs when it turns to patent-trolling.

This is one of the oldest companies in existence. It is hardly on its last legs.

Also, patents are a huge revenue stream at IBM. Always have been. However, that merely makes them the original patent troll. :)

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't bother to edit again. The SSO patent is here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=H... Filed in 2005 (on April Fool's day no less!) and published in 2006. It looks like the strongest of the 4 patents. The other ones look pretty weak to me. The first 2 (from 1989!!!) seem to be discussing displaying cached data on a monitor... I couldn't actually get much sense from it. The third one see…

I remember sitting in on a meeting where an “enterprise” consultant was trying to sell the telecom I worked for at the time on a single sign on system that worked by wrapping intranet sites in a frame with a shared cookie. He insisted on calling the cookie a secure token so it would seem different. Asking price? $100k Wouldn’t shock me if it was related.

Oh man.

[Enterprise PTSD intensifies]

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or... How could they be trying to enforce a patent from the late 80's (if the article is correct)? Quite a lot of things don't add up here. I'd love to see some actual information here. Bloomberg's article has slightly more content: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/ibm-seeks... I'd really like to see what patents they are talking about, though... Found the actual suit: https://www.b2ipreport.com/wp-…

I won't bother to edit again. The SSO patent is here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=H... Filed in 2005 (on April Fool's day no less!) and published in 2006. It looks like the strongest of the 4 patents. The other ones look pretty weak to me. The first 2 (from 1989!!!) seem to be discussing displaying cached data on a monitor... I couldn't actually get much sense from it. The third one see…

If it’s from the late 80’s, how is the patent still enforceable? 20 years right?

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't bother to edit again. The SSO patent is here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=H... Filed in 2005 (on April Fool's day no less!) and published in 2006. It looks like the strongest of the 4 patents. The other ones look pretty weak to me. The first 2 (from 1989!!!) seem to be discussing displaying cached data on a monitor... I couldn't actually get much sense from it. The third one see…

I remember sitting in on a meeting where an “enterprise” consultant was trying to sell the telecom I worked for at the time on a single sign on system that worked by wrapping intranet sites in a frame with a shared cookie. He insisted on calling the cookie a secure token so it would seem different. Asking price? $100k Wouldn’t shock me if it was related.

Hmm, aside from the triviality, it sounds like they may also have patented pre-existing art in 2006 then..

I-Planet portal server can be traced back through Webtop to Pony Express.. It was one of several competitors in the late 1990s, and I think they all provided this style of SSO.

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't bother to edit again. The SSO patent is here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=H... Filed in 2005 (on April Fool's day no less!) and published in 2006. It looks like the strongest of the 4 patents. The other ones look pretty weak to me. The first 2 (from 1989!!!) seem to be discussing displaying cached data on a monitor... I couldn't actually get much sense from it. The third one see…

I remember sitting in on a meeting where an “enterprise” consultant was trying to sell the telecom I worked for at the time on a single sign on system that worked by wrapping intranet sites in a frame with a shared cookie. He insisted on calling the cookie a secure token so it would seem different. Asking price? $100k Wouldn’t shock me if it was related.

Only $100k? That is much, much less than a big ol' intrusive SiteMinder or BMC project. In fact, it's so cheap as to cast serious doubt on the consultant's credibility. And I am already assuming this happened about 15 years ago.

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#17
post #8

Two failing companies fighting in court. In the end, only the lawyers win.

IBM is hardly failing. They know how to litigate and have gotten far more money from litigation than it's cost them.

If nothing else cases like this scare other people into paying licencing fees. So, fighting wounded companies like Groupon can be very useful.

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

#18
post #3

You know a company is in its last legs when it turns to patent-trolling.

IBM has been a "patent troll" for a long, long time. Heck, the term "ninja lawyer" was invented for their patent teams.

Most job postings I see are for a "Rockstar lawyer"

Re: IBM seeks $167M from Groupon in dispute over early internet patents

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post #17
post #8

Two failing companies fighting in court. In the end, only the lawyers win.

IBM is hardly failing. They know how to litigate and have gotten far more money from litigation than it's cost them. If nothing else cases like this scare other people into paying licencing fees. So, fighting wounded companies like Groupon can be very useful.

What’s your definition of failing?

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/IBM#eyJpbnRlcnZhbCI6IndlZWsi...

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