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U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

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Bravo. The AMA/FDA/insurance cartel cannot die soon enough. I don’t care if you want a free market, or you want socialized medicine, both are preferable to government-enforced racketeering.

So Americans can be even more heavily medicated? If you need a statin or high blood pressure medication, there should be a doctor in the loop to help motivate you with a healthy lifestyle.

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This sounds like a bad idea until I remember that most countries have this arrangement and I've made liberal use of it to great benefit... but mostly that has to do with the lower cost of drugs everywhere but the United States. I stock up every time I go to Europe, and I just made a run to Tijuana for medication my insurance company doesn't cover.

The downside is that insurance wouldn't cover these often expensive medications if they are OTC.

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#173

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A rural hospital kept my grandma alive 10 extra days to milk Medicare for the maximum allotment. There is nothing American healthcare won’t do to make a buck

But your parents have control over hospice arrangements. The only thing a hospital can legally in most states do once you decide to let her die is to sedate if necessary and cut off food and let the body shut down. What gives you the idea it was a conspiracy?

Wow, if you knew anything about how shitty our system is to dying people and their families I suspect you wouldn't be sealioning someone in GP's position.

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There are better ways to go about this. As others have noted, there must be a mechanism for a continual prescription to be easily filled, e.g. insulin, metformin, etc. I could see a long term prescription that has to be renewed each year and is good at any pharmacy. For the short term prescriptions though, cutting the doctor out of it makes people much more susceptible to marketing (instead of 'ask your doctor if you…

For what it's worth, the UK has had a three-tier system of medicine licensing (prescription-only, pharmacy-only and general sale) since 1968. In 2006, pharmacists with additional training gained the right to independently prescribe any prescription-only medicine within their clinical competence. Repeat prescriptions can be requested online and sent electronically to a pharmacist of the patient's choice. Obviously YMM…

NZ has done something similar. Seems to work quite well; I recently went to a pharmacy looking for an OTC solution for a mild infection (it didn't seem worth seeing a doctor over, and I didn't have time anyhow) and ended up with a prescription from antibiotics written by the pharmacist, which was super useful and convenient.

Also in the case of oral contraceptives, a change recently went through here (last year I believe) making oral contraceptives OTC as long as the purchaser had been prescribed them within the last 3 years. Bit of an odd compromise, but a nice stepping stone towards greater liberalisation if it doesn't end up causing issues.

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#175
This is a good thing. Doctors, while good for some tasks, can have an adverse effect on the flow of medical issue processing and patient care commodity distribution. This initiative will lift the barriers to competition that forces us to depend on the stodgy old-fashioned personal visits. Medical issue processing should require no more than a few snapchats per conflict.

Re: U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

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post #171
post #46

Bravo. The AMA/FDA/insurance cartel cannot die soon enough. I don’t care if you want a free market, or you want socialized medicine, both are preferable to government-enforced racketeering.

So Americans can be even more heavily medicated? If you need a statin or high blood pressure medication, there should be a doctor in the loop to help motivate you with a healthy lifestyle.

It's kind of amazing, how much advice is available on HN from people with no clue whatsoever.

[EDIT:] I am not easily offended, but the fact that this comment is [flagged] while the privileged-bullshit parent comment is not, has sort of sent me around the bend. Hypertension is associated more with age and genetics than with "healthy lifestyles". Which you would know, if you didn't get all your medical knowledge from the chumbox.

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You may not aspire to it, but you likely will have to do it if you want to remain employed in many areas. I have multiple friends who made it all the way through residency and have since stopped practicing within years of "graduating. The OP describes the profession much better than you do, as a whole. Double booking patients, requiring certain revenue targets, massive amounts of useless paperwork, etc. Considering t…

They should start their own practice and set their own rules. Good practices/doctors in my area are so in demand most aren't accepting new patients.

Is it even possible to set up an individual practice these days? Most individual practices were established decades ago. Most new physicians will work with an established group practice on contract.

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#178
post #83

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One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt. That's why I have no problem with engineering requirements: when a bridge, airplane, whatever falls down and goes boom, it's not only the owner who's affected. I'm an adult. It's legal for me to buy and drink bleach. It would be very stupid of me to do that, but I can. I should be able…

I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. However, it's far more likely that a layman gains cursory information about a drug and its effects, while lacking the specialized knowledge required to safely prescribe it. In short, it's far easier to accidentally poison yourself with prescription medication that it is with bleach, and we have meas…

> I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial.

I believe that a number of children and adolescents tried to consume Tide detergent pods. [1]

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/11/ti...

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#179
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One can represent themselves. It might be dumb, but people should have the right to be dumb when they're the only ones getting hurt. That's why I have no problem with engineering requirements: when a bridge, airplane, whatever falls down and goes boom, it's not only the owner who's affected. I'm an adult. It's legal for me to buy and drink bleach. It would be very stupid of me to do that, but I can. I should be able…

I'm willing to bet that very few people accidentally consume bleach or warfarin under the belief that it is beneficial. However, it's far more likely that a layman gains cursory information about a drug and its effects, while lacking the specialized knowledge required to safely prescribe it. In short, it's far easier to accidentally poison yourself with prescription medication that it is with bleach, and we have meas…

Isn't that what the directions that are on every bottle are for?

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> Patients could answer questions on a mobile-phone app to help determine whether they should be able to access a medication without a prescription. The primary issue I am concerned with is self ownership of my body, and the freedom to choose for myself which drugs I will consume. Transferring the permission process from a human medical professional to an algorithmic goverment agent does not give me anymore of what I…

A permission process seems inextricable from a system in which there are regulations. But algorithmic agent would theoretically make approved drugs more accessible. The expense and time of a doctor visit is enough friction to stop people from getting drugs they may find beneficial.

There are many systems in which production requires the following of regulations but the purchasing and consumption does not, i.e. food.
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