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Re: I’m leaving China

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post #22

Can anyone comment on the risks of posting such an essay while still living in China? Is this considered safely within the lines, a calculated risk, or something else? (Or has he already left China before posting the essay?)

His post seems very measured and I suspect he is small potatoes to anyone in power. Discouraging visiting educators would also be bad policy.

He is leaving so they probably aren't sweating it and he serves as an example to others about losing your job.

Re: I’m leaving China

#42
Very dense and impactful, for what it's worth I have also been on the receiving end of 'the foreigner in the elevator' but often people are nice and just (extremely) curious when you introduce yourself in their language.

It does get exhausting really quick however

Re: I’m leaving China

#43

I find it strange that the author continues to reiterate how they're a libertarian and even criticizes the "god is money" view of the Chinese, when back here in the United States the god is indeed money too, we just pretend it is not. Libertarianism requires the same practice around fiscal matters. The god must be money under libertarianism because it is every man for himself, dictated by your level of wealth. The wi…

>it merely replaces a government not actually formed by the will of the people I'm confused by this statement. What do you mean "not actually formed by the will of the people"?

I'd imagine he's referring to the little ways in which our government and laws seem to end up going against the interests of the average consumer. Lobbyists orchestrating Congress to act against the interests of their constituents, etc. Or issues like the chairman of the FCC undoing net neutrality, when nearly every citizen is in favor of keeping it, etc. Increasingly it seems to be "of the will of the corporations", not the will of the people.

Re: I’m leaving China

#44
post #38

> A common one is when someone is run over by a car and pedestrians just step over the body until a family member finds the body. The video goes viral, prompts a week of hand wringing, and then censors step in to talk about Confucianism and how the economy is growing. There is no innate value given to human life as precious.

And yet there is outrage in Chinese social media when that happens. So "not all Chinese"?

Re: I’m leaving China

#45
post #22

Can anyone comment on the risks of posting such an essay while still living in China? Is this considered safely within the lines, a calculated risk, or something else? (Or has he already left China before posting the essay?)

Hardly risky. Only if it gets notoriety. If he's already intent on leaving China there's little to worry about. The regime doesn't care about a libertarian's intellectual critique. If you want to get in trouble talk about the persecution and organ harvesting of the Falun Gong, scandals involving top CCP honchos or Taiwan-related issues.

Re: I’m leaving China

#46
The issues the author has about line cutting and openly gawking seemed kinda interesting. In my view line cutting happens because people have this view that their time is more valuable than anyone else's, and so they don't see it as breaking any 'rules' as such. And this isn't unique to China, you can see this in a lot of poorer south/south-east Asian countries. Kinda why driving is also a nightmare in these countries.

Gawking as well is common in a lot of places which aren't as culturally diverse as say California. If a Chinese or white person visits India, then outside of a few areas in the big cities they'll see similar behavior. Heck I could see people staring at me when I was in Charlotte, NC a while back.

Re: I’m leaving China

#47

Contrast this: "I will use strong language about the authoritarian communist government but I do not want that in anyway to reflect upon the Chinese people." With these sentences: "There is a complete and utter lack of respect for the individual or person in China. People do not have innate value as people simply because they exist. This leads most directly to a lack of respect for the law/rules/norms. One thing I be…

I interpreted his opinion as the government setting the people up to fail, as opposed to the other way around.

Re: I’m leaving China

#48
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wordpress doesn't scale that well, I assume the database was just overloaded.

It scales just fine. Some of the world’s largest publications run on it.

You're talking about people on Wordpress VIP vs something that is on JustHost. This likely didn't scale at all. Anyhow, you can scale Wordpress, I do it every day in Azure, but it's not something that does well on the fly. I'm not attacking Wordpress.

Re: I’m leaving China

#49
Regarding the line-cutting/cheating he talks about.

I like to distinguish between "culture" and something vaguer, which is what type of equilibrium someone is trapped in. I started to think this way when I lived in Argentina. Argentina is very corrupt, but just across the river is Uruguay...the least corrupt country in Latin America by some metrics. Argentines and Uruguayos are culturally quite similar (the relationship is analogous to that between the US and Canada), but one country is much less corrupt. I mused about this to my Argentine friend and he said "The difference is that in Argentine politics, if you're not corrupt you'll get destroyed." (This is kind of exaggerated but it gets the point across.) So while the cultures are similar, individuals in each country find themselves in different equilibria: if you're the only corrupt person in a group, you'll get caught and ostracized; if you're the only uncorrupt person, you'll get forced out (the same thing happens to police departments in the US). It is impossible for an individual to change the equilibrium.

Likewise with standing in line: Chinese immigrants to America preserve much of their culture for a while but don't cut lines; if they did they would be called out for it, being among the few who do so. But if everyone around you is blatantly cutting, then maybe you'll do it, too.

Re: I’m leaving China

#50
As a speaker of mandarin (Chinese wife) and having lived in China for a year, I really resonate with this.

One thing I try to explain to friends is the observation (and generalisation) of the tier of social behaviour. In short, if the person is a stranger you are total apathetic to them. If they are an acquaintance or friend you treat them kindly at face value. If they are family... you treat them with a disturbing blind loyalty.

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