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Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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People need to be taught about investing and the time value of money from an early age. If you invest in some low-cost index funds, you share in the profits. And if you start early, it doesn't have to be a big sacrifice.

The answer to “workers are not getting a big enough piece of the pie” is almost by definition not “be a better capitalist”.

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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you erode worker bargaining power for 30 years and you wonder why they're share of profits is going down. go figure.

To be fair, the Federal Reserve is not responsible for labor law and the like. They are clearly very late in their response, but it's notable that a non-political organization felt the need to comment.

"Job Insecurity of Workers Is a Big Factor in Fed Policy"

https://web.archive.org/web/20100304170139/https://www.nytim...

The Fed has an interest, and influence, on labour conditions, if not direct legislative input.

Unemployment is the other of its dual mandates.

(Though, and crucially, not wage levels.)

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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post #5

People need to be taught about investing and the time value of money from an early age. If you invest in some low-cost index funds, you share in the profits. And if you start early, it doesn't have to be a big sacrifice.

other people have addressed the problems with your position so i would just like to add that you’re wildly insensitive if you really think that this is due to the irresponsible habits of the poor.

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the Federal Reserve is not responsible for labor law and the like. They are clearly very late in their response, but it's notable that a non-political organization felt the need to comment.

I don't think that the person you're replying to is implying its the Fed's fault as an organization. It is the function of people in power (both politically and in the economy) since the 80s having eroded worker's abilities to push back, so it's more an indictment of the system, not individuals strictly.

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Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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post #6
post #5

People need to be taught about investing and the time value of money from an early age. If you invest in some low-cost index funds, you share in the profits. And if you start early, it doesn't have to be a big sacrifice.

Many people barely have enough to live on, let alone invest. If wages were higher in real terms, they're lives would be better. Plus, investing is risky. Not everyone has the ability to weather business downturns without tapping into savings.

BTW, this isn't a moral argument (at least it need not be), practically people cannot invest in anything and yield an actually substantial return. Almost half(E) people in the US cannot weather a $400 emergency without going into debt, how could they possibly have enough money to invest for either themselves or their children?

This arguably would be only valuable for people in the middle class to upper middle class.

EDIT: the statistic is 46%[0]. Okay, it's not "most" people but it's a good fraction. I wouldn't be surprised that >50% can't weather a $1000 emergency.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/25/the-s...

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Unfortunately the laws and regulations in place facilitating this trend are put in place, for the most part, by elected representatives. For one thing, we need to change “first past the post” election results to decrease the polarizing results that have been shaping our politics as of late. I’m just saying, this isn’t a conspiracy by one party or group. To an extent, it’s the country we voted for.

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Powell also spoke to this in a recent interview with Marketplace[0]

>Ryssdal: I want to get to the regulatory part of your job, which you address right there in a second, but I want to first talk about some of the things that came out of the financial crisis that we're still dealing with. And maybe the most relevant for consumers in this economy is the idea that wages now for a decade or more really have been stuck. And the question is: As you consider your dual mandates of price stability and maximum employment, where are wages on your list of things to worry about? And what really power do you have?

>Powell: So wages were low, and that was understandable after the financial crisis because unemployment was extremely high. Unemployment was 10 percent in 2009. As unemployment has declined — now all the way down to 4 percent, the lowest it's been in 20 years — we would have expected wages to move up fairly significantly. We now just in the last year or so, we have seen wages move up.

>Ryssdal: A hair, right?

>Powell: We look at a range of — there's no one wage indicator. We tend to look at sort of the four big ones in particular. And if you look back to five years ago, they were all in the low twos — this is annual rate of increase — and now they're all close to three. So there's been this very gradual move up. I think, you know, part of that is that wages should reflect inflation plus productivity. So if you're delivering more output per hour, it should be reflected. Productivity has been very low. But there is still a bit of a puzzle in that we're hearing about labor shortages now all over the country in many, many different occupations in different geographies. And one would have expected, I would have expected, that wages would move up a little bit more. So I think we don't directly look so much at wages as we do price inflation, but I think we're looking very carefully at maximum employment, and that is one of the things that pushes up wages and price inflation.

>Ryssdal: Right. But why are they stuck? Is it just that we're not producing enough widgets per hour? Is it robots? I mean, what is going on? Because that's the thing that people want to know about.

>Powell: So, one big part of the explanation is certainly that inflation has been low and productivity has been low. So productivity just means how much your output per hour increases. And that's what you should expect as a worker to get paid for, is enough to cover inflation plus how much did your output go. So if you take that at the aggregate national level, if you add those two up, that's actually pretty consistent with what's been happening with wages. So again, there's no — I wouldn't call it a mystery, but I would say that it's a bit of a puzzle given how tight labor markets appear to be. And what we're hearing from employers really is that they can't find workers, and you're wondering, well, why aren’t wages going up faster?

>Ryssdal: Why aren’t they paying them, right?

>Powell: It’s a good question. It’s a good question. We don't really have the answer to that question.

>Ryssdal: Which is a little troubling, if you're the guy running the economy.

>Powell: I don't think of myself as the guy running the economy. You know the economy is a $20 trillion economy.

[0] - https://www.marketplace.org/2018/07/12/economy/powell-transc...

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Unfortunately the laws and regulations in place facilitating this trend are put in place, for the most part, by elected representatives. For one thing, we need to change “first past the post” election results to decrease the polarizing results that have been shaping our politics as of late. I’m just saying, this isn’t a conspiracy by one party or group. To an extent, it’s the country we voted for.

I donate to http://www.fairvote.org .

If anyone knows of other activist groups supporting better voting systems, I'd like to know about them.

Re: Federal Reserve chair says decline in workers' share of profits 'very troubling'

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Unfortunately the laws and regulations in place facilitating this trend are put in place, for the most part, by elected representatives. For one thing, we need to change “first past the post” election results to decrease the polarizing results that have been shaping our politics as of late. I’m just saying, this isn’t a conspiracy by one party or group. To an extent, it’s the country we voted for.

This is a strange take when the wealthy actively conspire through bought-and-sold politicians to discredit, undermine, and destroy labor organization, the only thing in history with a proven track record of winning concessions for workers(in aggregate).

Maybe there’s not a “conspiracy,” but there’s certainly a class war.

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