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U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

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Re: U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

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looks like this is a draft guidance document, so it may not actually come into effect for a while. something like this seems like it would be massively controversial, and thered probably be a lot of debate on both sides. overall though the idea is very interesting.

something like 20% of US health spend is on outpatient care. i dont know how much of that relates to medication management, but id imagine a lot does. PCPs get paid more when they manage a patients medication, and many psychiatrists make nearly all their income from adjusting prescriptions. im sure other specialties are similar. so this theoretically enables some of that work to be done without the physician. this could significantly reduce cost of outpt services, although it will depend very much on how hard it is for pharma companies to demonstrate non rx use of their products is safe and effective. it may be the case that only a few meds actually are eligible, or that many are, once the guidance is finalized

i havent read the guidance doc yet so dont really know how this would play out in terms of who decides what to rx if not a doc.

i personally am sort of disappointed to see doctors becoming even more sidelined. doctors really do an important job of filtering info for patients, advocating / negotiating with insurance companies, and looking out for them. this could potentially be one less protection for patients as large companies get more power to control info. id like to see cost taken out of the system by reducing pricing power by breaking up large providers rather than disintermediating doctors, but that isnt within fda's mandate, so i understand why fda would go for something like this

this could be good for patients if it is implemented in a way that doesnt give pharma too much power over patients. cost would decrease and access to meds could increase. however there may be more patients taking medicines for reasons other than the health benefits (ie marketing power / influence)

Re: U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

#32
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Presumably only for trivial conditions id hope. Edit it will also lead to over prescribing of antibiotics and cause drug resistance to rise

> Presumably only for trivial conditions id [ sic ] hope I'd hope not. I used to be asthmatic. At one point in my life, getting--and paying co-pay for--a doctor's appointment was not easy. There were nights when I weighed suffering a little longer against the risk of triggering an ER visit. Being able to go to a pharmacy to get albuterol would have made a tough time easier with minimal risk to anyone else.

Can't you just logon and order a repeat prescription which is then delivered to your local pharmacy.

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#33

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The medical changes in the US take forever for change to occur. Even if greater access to some of these common medications is to happen, it will take close to a decade or more to see it meaningfully impact the industry. There will likely be a few drugs that become available before that, but likely not many and not enough to change the cost basis much. The US medical and pharmaceutical community is a very powerful pol…

I'd be pretty shocked if the pharmaceutical industry is against this. I would bet they _lobbied_ for it. They can already advertise direct to consumers, now those consumers will be able to go directly to purchasing medication with no intermediary (no "ask your doctor if X is right for you"). This seems like it's GREAT for them. I would expect marketing budgets to go up dramatically in pursuit of these disintermediate…

I can't say you are wrong. But also remember the industry is lobbing against many things right now which have come around in the past few years, including the perception of opiate prescriptions where they are trying to moderate the discussion. Hence spending has gone up considerably.

My personal logic is they typically have lobbied to keep most drugs regulated (or split) so to keep their reimbursements as high as possible. Most drugs once they go into the OTC market drop in margin, and volume does pick up but only to a point plus it comes with increased competition now.

The last few allergy medications like Zertec, Allegra, Claritin etc that were once prescription only went OTC and margins dropped for the OTC versions. However, you will find at least in the case of a couple of them the companies were pushing for them to be OTC from the beginning because they had developed the drug with the intent to be OTC. However, even if you look at OTC allergy meds, most can still be prescribed and hence paid for by medical insurance and the per pill price is drastically higher, but the out of pocket expense for the consumer is lower (which is just screwed up IMO). Last point on this, once it goes OTC the competition on manufacturing skyrockets, again driving down margins for everyone, similar to when a prescription med comes off patent initially.

I could see an argument though where the AMA and other physician lobbying groups here may diverge from the pharmaceutical lobbying but in general from my knowledge they work pretty close together.

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> Presumably only for trivial conditions id [ sic ] hope I'd hope not. I used to be asthmatic. At one point in my life, getting--and paying co-pay for--a doctor's appointment was not easy. There were nights when I weighed suffering a little longer against the risk of triggering an ER visit. Being able to go to a pharmacy to get albuterol would have made a tough time easier with minimal risk to anyone else.

Can't you just logon and order a repeat prescription which is then delivered to your local pharmacy.

> Can't you just logon and order a repeat prescription which is then delivered to your local pharmacy

No, I had to physically go to the doctor to get the prescription renewed every so often.

Re: U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably only for trivial conditions id hope. Edit it will also lead to over prescribing of antibiotics and cause drug resistance to rise

> Presumably only for trivial conditions id [ sic ] hope I'd hope not. I used to be asthmatic. At one point in my life, getting--and paying co-pay for--a doctor's appointment was not easy. There were nights when I weighed suffering a little longer against the risk of triggering an ER visit. Being able to go to a pharmacy to get albuterol would have made a tough time easier with minimal risk to anyone else.

Why are you no longer asthmatic? Did you move to a less polluted/better climate area? Change your diet? Something else?

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#36
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I have mixed feelings about this, especially considering the US is the only first world country where direct-to-consumer marketing is allowed for medications. Bypassing the prescription requirement is of course of significant value to drug companies, who expend quite a bit of resources to sway doctors with free lunches, conferences and soft persuasion tactics. Usually I welcome the freedom to chose but this doesn't i…

So ease access to the drugs and tighten the regulations around advertising. The fact we have consumer-driven ads for prescription drugs at all is like something you'd expect in a satire novel :P

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I have mixed feelings about this, especially considering the US is the only first world country where direct-to-consumer marketing is allowed for medications. Bypassing the prescription requirement is of course of significant value to drug companies, who expend quite a bit of resources to sway doctors with free lunches, conferences and soft persuasion tactics. Usually I welcome the freedom to chose but this doesn't i…

One of my friends has type I diabetes, in more than one times, she needed urgent visit/call to her doctors just to get the medicine she has being taken for years.

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#38
Sounds like a way to mimic the success of over the counter medications like ibuprofen, whose prices have been slowly creeping up for years.

Many of the major profitable blood pressure and statins are off patent, so the drug companies need to make more money.

I’m sure this status will limit or eliminate insurance contributions, so now you’ll pay more for generic because 50 million individuals lack the buying power of CVS and the other PBMs.

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#39

> Patients could answer questions on a mobile-phone app to help determine whether they should be able to access a medication without a prescription. Day 2: Websites showing the correct answers to get anything you want show up. This is an absolutely bonkers idea.

As opposed to the alternative where people buy said meds from a dude in an alleyway?

Re: U.S. to make More Drugs Easily Available, Cutting Role Doctors Play

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I'd be pretty shocked if the pharmaceutical industry is against this. I would bet they _lobbied_ for it. They can already advertise direct to consumers, now those consumers will be able to go directly to purchasing medication with no intermediary (no "ask your doctor if X is right for you"). This seems like it's GREAT for them. I would expect marketing budgets to go up dramatically in pursuit of these disintermediate…

It's not as great as you think for the pharmaceutical industry. They can't charge as much for OTC drugs because people won't pay for it. If the drug (or a similar in class competitor) is available OTC then they also can't charge as much via prescription. So both ways, prices go down.

Many times they still charge more for the prescription med still. Great example I just saw. We all know ibuprofen has been available as an OTC for a long time. Cheap to buy too, The one difference in this example, the one 800mg pill is less harsh on the stomach than taking 4 of the 200mg pills. Which is the reasoning usually for this type of prescription, that and convenience for the patient.
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