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Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of them are pretty tame but that's the point. It's something with a slight slant to get people to engage then it's all about slowly isolating them and luring them a bit farther down the rabbit hole with crazier and crazier shared posts. It'd be hard to recruit for a cult that starts with poison kool aid on day one.

Where can I see the "crazier and crazier shared posts"?

Thats what I came to see. Until I see this I call bullshit on the entire thing and seriously question the objectivity of those that push this theory. And thats not me being partisan thats just me being annoyed at the lack of real evidence being presented here.

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

#82

I'm confused, none of these ads seem to be targeted at influencing the election. Is that the point?

Seriously why can't hackernews provide me with some examples. This is the most meticulous community i've ever seen.

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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So I'm confused. The media keeps repeating "Russia/Putin/The Kremlin interfered with/meddled with/hacked the 2016 election" (and has for about two full years now), but even though I feel like I've followed all this more closely than most Americans, the narrative is quite muddy and I don't understand what it is I'm supposed to believe.

First, I thought "the Russians" supposedly "hacked" Hillary Clinton's private email server. Or was it Podesta's email account? No, it was neither of those, Russia actually "compromised" some voting machines, maybe? Wait, wasn't there a series of stories, all from that same time period, about how "Russian hackers" managed to "break into but not quite gain control of" an Ameriacn hydroelectric dam, or something? Or perhaps none of that was true and maybe some "Russians" (the government? or not? who knows!) bought a bunch of Facebook ads--all far more innocuous than any of the rhetoric being spewed by Americans during the 2016 election season--for $10,000, and that is supposed to, uhm... have significantly swayed peoples' opinions such that they voted Trump into office? (Because if there's one thing I saw during 2016, it was vehemently anti-Trump people do a full 180 on their opinions! /s)

Until somebody does some actual reporting and breaks down the whole "Russia hacking/meddling with the election/our democracy" narrative in a way that not only I can understand, but the average American voter can understand, I see little choice but to believe that the entire thing is a confluence of several media-spun narratives that were repeated to us over and over until it was "common knowledge" that "Russia hacked the election" (whatever that means?) and/or "Russia meddled with our democracy" (whatever THAT means??).

Many of the accusations I see flying around social media and news sources sound incredibly dire, and something I should be freaking out about (not that anyone would have any ulterior motive to get myself and the rest of the American electorate to freak out about political matters, of course!)-- if that's the case, how is this information not yet out there in a clear, easily-understandable format for all to see?

If anyone wants to break down their understanding of the situation for me--WITHOUT consulting any sources, just your own current internal understanding of the situation is--I'd be grateful, because this whole thing seems to be one of the least-clear political issues in recent memory, and it seems to me that certain political and media forces are just trying to scare everyone with vague, often contradictory claims that intentionally muddy the real underlying issues at play.

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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Lots of techbros posting here missing the point. If you can't make sense of these groups and these ad buys, you're not familiar with Foundations of Geopolitics, which is assigned as a textbook in Russian military academies and was very well received there. The point of all of it is to encourage separation and discord along racial, ethnic, and political lines, and generally disrupt the American political process and i…

Another scary line in that wiki is:

> The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

Whether Putin has no influence over Trump, total control or anywhere in between - his actions and rhetoric during the campaign guaranteed this outcome if he were elected.

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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This doesn't really communicate anything. All the examples are something of this ad about americans liking cars was targeted to americans who like cars. I don't at all deny Russia meddling, but the website does a poor job at showing what they were trying to influence. Example: This ad targeted people interested in same-sex marriage and 12 more. We speak for all fellow members of LGBT community across the nation. How…

I'm taking a wild guess here: The ads look like they were intended to drive traffic to pages, which would be the real 'meat' of the campaign. The ads themselves aren't very interesting. Also, the image data is missing. A lot of these are non-sequiturs without the picture.

Most of the ads has around 10-20 impressions.

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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I'm confused, none of these ads seem to be targeted at influencing the election. Is that the point?

I’ll refer you to ashelmire’s comment above.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17546138

TL;DR - The point of the Russian campaign is classic psyops[1]. Sow division, discord and disbelief in authorities and institutions.

One might well argue that the US was “primed” for such a campaign by the recent history of cynical manipulation of the public for political ends.

At this point, I find myself asking, “under what possible circumstances could the majority (irrespective of ‘sides’) ever regain trust in their elected officials?”

I can’t come up with an answer. There is now sufficient disbelief that any attempts to regain trust would invariably come across as further attempts to manipulate.

If, like me, you believe that “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others”, then this is pretty depressing.

[1] https://www.corbettreport.com/psyops-101-an-introduction-to-...

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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This strikes me as more noise to add to the cacophony of nonsense that most Americans experience online. Please someone explain to me why these blurbs are somehow more signal than background noise.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547766

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

#89

So I'm confused. The media keeps repeating "Russia/Putin/The Kremlin interfered with/meddled with/hacked the 2016 election" (and has for about two full years now), but even though I feel like I've followed all this more closely than most Americans, the narrative is quite muddy and I don't understand what it is I'm supposed to believe. First, I thought "the Russians" supposedly "hacked" Hillary Clinton's private email…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547766

Re: Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Facebook ads bought by Russia

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post #8

This doesn't really communicate anything. All the examples are something of this ad about americans liking cars was targeted to americans who like cars. I don't at all deny Russia meddling, but the website does a poor job at showing what they were trying to influence. Example: This ad targeted people interested in same-sex marriage and 12 more. We speak for all fellow members of LGBT community across the nation. How…

So the long standing rumor is that Russia influenced the US election through Facebook. Okay, fine. You know what I want to hear about? The wealthy Americans who used Facebook to influence the US election. If Facebook can be used in this way, I think looking at what Russia did is interesting, but it’s not the only story! The story is, people are subtly and quietly influincing our elections! Shouldn’t we look closely a…

You seem to be conflating the workings of a flawed democracy with meddling by a foreign power. Those are nothing like the same thing.
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