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Re: Instapaper is going independent

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Post by oh_sigh »

corobo wrote: post #124
kevingadd wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, considering there are apparently only two people working on Instapaper, it's not hard to come up with reasons why it might take more than two months or why they might not be conducting a detailed PR campaign about it

Short of selling everyone's reading habits to the lowest bidder.. what on earth needs changing? Edit: To clarify I'm not saying they do that, I just can't see what part of GDPR they're having trouble with

Perhaps that's because you are not a part of the corporation. Why would you expect to have insight into their operations?

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#132

Post by 394549 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #130
dasil003 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

If what you are saying is true, why would a business choose to shut down their EU services until some later date? Do they hate making money? Did they just want to make people panic about GDPR(after it had already been implemented)? Are their lawyers just really bad at their jobs? Seriously. What is their motivations from your perspective?

>> The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little bit of copy writing and self-service options for deleting/downloading personal data

> If what you are saying is true, why would a business choose to shut down their EU services until some later date?

> Do they hate making money? ...

> Seriously. What is their motivations from your perspective?

Don't assume businesses are making rational decisions just because they're businesses. Their motivations may very well be that their leader irrationally freaked out after reading some anti-GDPR FUD, overreacted, and hasn't yet reevaluated the decision.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#133

Post by pembrook »

dasil003 wrote: post #88
joering2 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of GDPR is confusing to you? They did their research and turned out that in terms of profits the market is unstable if you want to open yourself up to potential GDPR litigations you are riskin more than its worth it. Don’t wait anymore. They probably not coming ever again unless GDPR is voided.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

>Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion.

Are there any precedents set for GDPR enforcement yet? No? Then how can you know that?

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#134

Post by solarkraft »

dasil003 wrote: post #88
joering2 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of GDPR is confusing to you? They did their research and turned out that in terms of profits the market is unstable if you want to open yourself up to potential GDPR litigations you are riskin more than its worth it. Don’t wait anymore. They probably not coming ever again unless GDPR is voided.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

Isn't the worst case 4% of global turnover? Shouldn't Instapaper's EU revenue be far above that?

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#135

Post by nspady »

solarkraft wrote: post #134
dasil003 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

Isn't the worst case 4% of global turnover? Shouldn't Instapaper's EU revenue be far above that?

It is the whichever is greater of 20 million Euros or 4 percent of annual turnover.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#136

Post by pembrook »

coldtea wrote: post #105
bthdonohue wrote: post #75

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Hey zulrah, we are working on GDPR and plan to have the service available in the EU as soon as possible. Hope to have you back on Instapaper when we become available in the EU again. Really sorry for the inconvenience.

I don't think you can piss on customers for 2 months and then drop a "sorry for the inconvenience". And for no good reason. Just assume the improbable cost of some litigation as a company, like tens of thousands of others (including much bigger and much smaller than yours) did, put up a message to European customers and have them click and proceed as usual to the service. Or, you know, use the headstart of more than…

I could understand the outrage if this was a service you were paying for.

But this is a Free service being provided to you. Why do you believe you have the right to dictate how someone else uses their time when you're not paying for it?

Re: Instapaper is going independent

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Post by a1369209993 »

pembrook wrote: post #136
coldtea wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you can piss on customers for 2 months and then drop a "sorry for the inconvenience". And for no good reason. Just assume the improbable cost of some litigation as a company, like tens of thousands of others (including much bigger and much smaller than yours) did, put up a message to European customers and have them click and proceed as usual to the service. Or, you know, use the headstart of more than…

I could understand the outrage if this was a service you were paying for. But this is a Free service being provided to you. Why do you believe you have the right to dictate how someone else uses their time when you're not paying for it?

I believe that I have the right to demand that someone else doesn't use their time to burglarize my house, and if they and other companies have made a side business of burglarizing peoples houses, I think it's entirely resonable to demand that they and any similar company spend time proving that they aren't planning to continue.

(And yes, I realize the houses in this metaphor rarely have doors in their doorways, much less locks, so it's techinally not burglary, but frankly I don't care.)

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#139

Post by hk__2 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #130
dasil003 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

If what you are saying is true, why would a business choose to shut down their EU services until some later date? Do they hate making money? Did they just want to make people panic about GDPR(after it had already been implemented)? Are their lawyers just really bad at their jobs? Seriously. What is their motivations from your perspective?

Probably incompetence.

1) Don’t think about users’ privacy from the start. 2) Ignore GDPR until the enforcement deadline. 3) Panic and shut down EU until you find something to do.

Re: Instapaper is going independent

#140

Post by paulcole »

dasil003 wrote: post #88
joering2 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of GDPR is confusing to you? They did their research and turned out that in terms of profits the market is unstable if you want to open yourself up to potential GDPR litigations you are riskin more than its worth it. Don’t wait anymore. They probably not coming ever again unless GDPR is voided.

Oh please stop with this FUD already. Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion. If we approached the risk of all laws in all jurisdictions this way, we'd just wake up and commit seppuku every morning. The only services that actually need to shut down are ones that are monetizing based on personal data. Small SaaS services that aren't doing that can be fully GDPR compliant with a little b…

> Risk assessments on GDPR litigation are blown wildly out of proportion.

Easy to say when you're telling someone else to take the risk.

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