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Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#1
AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news. Is it really such a dead field? There's never any breakthroughs announced, and there's no grandiose research projects underway that I know of. I read every day how mobile social network platforms are being funded en masse in Silicon Valley while an entire branch of computing appears to be whithering away in the grips of academia.

Are there any websites that try to track the different AI projects going on? Which books should someone fascinated in this field be reading to try stay up to date?

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#2
> AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news.

Research of any sort rarely makes news. The exceptions involve universities with very zealous, hard-working P.R. people (who pretty much always overstate the importance and impact of the work they cover).

As for startups, they, and other businesses, are there to make money. And there just isn't much money to be made in A.I. (yet?). The only commercially viable idea to come out of A.I., that I know of, is the expert system. And that turned out to be a pretty small market. [EDIT: Seems I was way off here. See replies, and my apologies to all the hard-working A.I. researchers out there.]

> Is it really such a dead field?

Well, not dead, but it certainly is not what it once was. 50 years ago, many knowledgeable people thought that machines with human-level capabilities were just around the corner. Today it's just Ray Kurzweil. 50 years of rather dismal results tends to dampen the enthusiasm of prospective researchers.

> There's never any breakthroughs announced, ....

"Breakthrough" is a word used by P.R. people. Real researchers know that knowledge is almost always advanced in small steps, building on previous work. When you read about a "breakthrough"--in any field--be skeptical.

> ... and there's no grandiose research projects underway that I know of.

Almost certainly not. This is because the U.S. Congress, and similar organizations elsewhere, have not made A.I. a funding priority. No grant $$$ means no big research projects at universities. (And no obvious commercial possibilities means no big research projects at corporations.)

But there are certainly plenty of little projects.

> Are there any websites that try to track the different AI projects going on?

That would be difficult, since, when a researcher starts a project, he generally does not announce the fact to the world. Research projects often have no official status. It's just a few people--or one person--playing around with some ideas. If they come up with something interesting, then they publish a paper about it, but that is only after the fact. So it would be hard to gather the information for such a website.

Generally, the way to track current research in a field is to look at the relevant journals. Unfortunately, this can be tricky without expertise in the field. In any case, here are a few links to A.I. journals, to get you started:

Journal of Artificial Intelligence Research http://www.jair.org/

Journal of Machine Learning Research http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/

Journal of Intelligent Systems http://www.jisjournal.org/

Another possibility is to find an online discussion group about A.I. research. However, I can't help you there.

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#3
Large-scale data-mining, predictions, and machine learning are not new per se, but have rapidly expanded in terms of available practical techniques, and actual use of those techniques in applications. Palantir is one major startup based around that, and there's a bunch of other less-high-profile stuff moving AI into marketing (behavior prediction, etc.). There's also quantitative finance. Less businessy, there's a bunch of research on applying machine learning and datamining to huge datasets like NASA's sky surveys, or biology or physics data repositories.

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#4

> AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news. Research of any sort rarely makes news. The exceptions involve universities with very zealous, hard-working P.R. people (who pretty much always overstate the importance and impact of the work they cover). As for startups, they, and other businesses, are there to make money. And there just isn't much money to be made in A.I. (yet?). The only commercially…

> The only commercially viable idea to come out of A.I., that I know of, is the expert system. And that turned out to be a pretty small market.

Oh come on, you're baiting AI people (like me) here. :P

* Spam Filters (Bayesian networks)

* Video Game AI (game trees, fuzzy logic, etc)

* Natural Language Processing (Markov networks)

* Computational Finance (pattern recognition)

The list goes on, but the thing about AI is this: if an algorithm is successful, it quickly becomes a part of the industry or its own field and is forgotten.

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#5
Whenever there is a 'breakthrough' in AI two years onwards we call it by some different name and AI gets pushed just a little bit further in to the future again.

Plenty of stuff that is 'normal' in machine learning today would have been advanced AI twenty years ago. I don't expect this to change much, until the time that we reach the stage where you can click together a functional agent from a bunch of pre-made units that can go out in to the world and do useful work for you. And quite possibly by that time the definition of AI will have shifted to 'a machine intelligence so advanced that it can solve problems that humand can't solve' or something to that effect.

AI simply is a moving target, nobody (except for Alan Turing maybe) ever sat down and wrote a description of the border between regular programming and artificial intelligence (self improving systems) with enough clarity that we will know when we've crossed. By plenty of standards we crossed it a decade or more ago, by many standards we may never cross it at all.

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#7

> AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news. Research of any sort rarely makes news. The exceptions involve universities with very zealous, hard-working P.R. people (who pretty much always overstate the importance and impact of the work they cover). As for startups, they, and other businesses, are there to make money. And there just isn't much money to be made in A.I. (yet?). The only commercially…

Wow!

Way to undermine the contributions of the AI community.

Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing have already made great sides.

Search, recommendation engines and automated translations are all AI.

Disease prediction/diagnosis has been pretty hot for a while now. Market for predictions in Analytics is picking up rapidly and there's a lot of focus there.

Reinforcement Learning is playing huge role in modern Robotics.

Sentiment analysis i.e. judging sentiments of authors from text is pretty hot.

DB community has long been working with AI community in developing semantic storage systems. Work on adaptive systems is also seeing a comeback.

I really doubt any piece of major equipment today is built without AI.

The part which I did like about your response is that reading journals is a great way to learn more about AI stuff.

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#8
The field is most certainly not dead. Mass media (movies, books, etc) over the last 60 years or so has presented a vary narrow vision of "A.I"; a vision of what are more or less people that happen to be in synthetic versions of the old flesh and bone varieties, that are normally repressed and enslaved or trying to kill the carbon-bags for some faulty reason or another.

That vision has basically made the term Artificial Intelligence become yet another meaningless marketing term.

The concept of A.I. is like the concept of organic chemistry. There are vast sub-disciplines that are loosely collected under the term "organic chemistry" because they more or less all involve carbon atoms at some point. A.I is like this as well, because there are many, many sub-disciplines and they all involve the concept of systems that are capable of "learning".

So, my first recommendation is to just forget any preconceptions of "Artificial Intelligence" because its not something that really exists, just like Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator does not have what cows crave.

What does exist is this vast field of scientific, practical, and commercial activity involving learning systems. These systems are typically closely tied to computation, aka hardware or software, but not all. Some work is done in biology and some in organic chemistry (interesting cross connection there).

Another preconception to forget is that "A.I" died in the 80's and is irrelevant today. What nearly all people who are even loosely familiar with the term, beyond killer robots from the Future or lonely little robot boys with mommy issues, is that A.I. has no part in their lives. The truth is that it has been all around us for many years.

The timely delivery of your new shoes from Zappos or buying oranges in the winter: shipping. Tens of thousands of planes in the air at any moment: transportation. The computer chips that are in your computer or handheld that you are reading this on: computing (simulated annealing, fascinating!). Millisecond stock trades: the economy. Automated stellar classification: astronomy. The list goes on.

So once you put aside your preconceptions for a bit, start asking what kinds of fields you're really interested and then looking at how learning systems are influencing them. Sometimes you will be surprised to learn that what might be classically called "A.I" has utterly invaded your favorite field and that the people who work in it are entirely unaware that the learning systems they're using might even be considered "A.I".

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

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post #4

> AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news. Research of any sort rarely makes news. The exceptions involve universities with very zealous, hard-working P.R. people (who pretty much always overstate the importance and impact of the work they cover). As for startups, they, and other businesses, are there to make money. And there just isn't much money to be made in A.I. (yet?). The only commercially…

> The only commercially viable idea to come out of A.I., that I know of, is the expert system. And that turned out to be a pretty small market. Oh come on, you're baiting AI people (like me) here. :P * Spam Filters (Bayesian networks) * Video Game AI (game trees, fuzzy logic, etc) * Natural Language Processing (Markov networks) * Computational Finance (pattern recognition) The list goes on, but the thing about AI is…

Thanks for the correction.

Re: Ask HN: So what's new in the world of A.I.?

#10

> AI research and related topics and startups rarely make news. Research of any sort rarely makes news. The exceptions involve universities with very zealous, hard-working P.R. people (who pretty much always overstate the importance and impact of the work they cover). As for startups, they, and other businesses, are there to make money. And there just isn't much money to be made in A.I. (yet?). The only commercially…

Wow! Way to undermine the contributions of the AI community. Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing have already made great sides. Search, recommendation engines and automated translations are all AI. Disease prediction/diagnosis has been pretty hot for a while now. Market for predictions in Analytics is picking up rapidly and there's a lot of focus there. Reinforcement Learning is playing huge role in mode…

> Way to undermine the contributions of the AI community.

Apparently.

I think I know a fair amount about research in general, but not, it appears, much about the current state of A.I. research.

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