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The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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In economic terms, how is this sustainable?

Broadly, constant borrowing is sustainable, just look at any European economy. As long as your tax base grows faster than your interest payments there’s no unavoidable problem.

This? It’s not sustainable. Sooner or later this will result in a correction. This could range from aggressive budgetary measures, an internal crisis all the way to China monetising its overseas investments (which are extremely extensive).

Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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In economic terms, how is this sustainable?

China is (officially) growing at ~7% per year right now, so adding $700 billion to their debt pile barely changes the debt/GDP ratio, it might even still fall but I'd have to check the exact figures.

Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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And this is the deficit we know about. In reality it could be much larger, something like 1000% of GDP. The situation is the same with China’s military budget. In reality it’s probably 2x or 3x larger than the official numbers we have.

China's GDP is probably 10% of what they reported.

Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

#16

In economic terms, how is this sustainable?

Endure the bubble, until you can conquer Australia and relieve the pressure

Then they'll get 2 additional armies every single turn! And a territory card!

Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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China is still a developing nation.

That means that China can invest in infrastructure (roads, trains, airports, education) which have high real return making the increase in debt much less of a problem. This is also the reason why China has grown persistently 7-10% over the past two decades compared to USA which have grown 2-3% in the same period.

Per person China's GDP is less than a fifth of the US hinting that this still has some way to go.

Re: The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US in 2017

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why conquer when you can invest? They're investing. It's working. We're happy to have chinese investment in all spaces, ag, and mining, we buy the goods and we sell the dairy produce. The real threat is Tasmania: haven't you seen the wargames maps? We need those US-Chinese troops to fight back against the daemon armies from cradle mountain.

Investment doesn't buy you all the 'Living Space' you may want

I've taken the train across china from Hangzhou to Beijing and there is no lack of living space, or empty housing from the speculative bubble. The threat of south-irian is basically the classic yellow-peril threat model.

Its a really bad argument. As long as we are happy to export tertiary education and then proffer immigration channels, there is no basis to argue the Chinese polity wants to invade: it can get people here legally, for good benefit both sides.

Pleae, don't feed the racist troll. The chinese are not swamping us and they cannot cause earthquakes by jumping up and down at the same time.

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